*You are probably talking of Frohlich's Elsa v Grunestahl ROM, who was the dam of CH. Lance of Fran-Jo,ROM. Lance of course, was a HUGE influence in the breed, and the Lance/Bernd v Kallengarten,ROM combination produced a whole bunch of GREAT dogs. Doris E * >Ah, I knew a MALE many moons ago, same thing. He was a very fine dog but an >L.C. >As Oak says about the bitch, "Not while he was showing>" It's really a >minor fault anyway. >I cannot remember her full name, but a splendid foundation bitch -- correct >me if I'm wrong >on this --- I think --- Elsa Von Gruenestall (sp.) --- for the Fords I >think -- Got her ROM if I >remember too. Some very clever grooming out there, not like the Animal >Planet folks >on TV now tho --- that is so so -- lost my printable wording actions -- Ha! >Ok, I'll geaux and >let you wonderful folks enjoy your dogs. Norma no L > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================