This is from the AKC site for GSD's Coat The ideal dog has a double coat of medium length. The outer coat should be as dense as possible, hair straight, harsh and lying close to the body. A slightly wavy outer coat, often of wiry texture, is permissible. The head, including the inner ear and foreface, and the legs and paws are covered with short hair, and the neck with longer and thicker hair. The rear of the forelegs and hind legs has somewhat longer hair extending to the pastern and hock, respectively. Faults in coat include soft, silky, too long outer coat, woolly, curly, and open coat. Here is for other breeds when it comes to coats Shiba Inu Breed Standard Coat Double coated with the outer coat being stiff and straight and the undercoat soft and thick. Fur is short and even on face, ears, and legs. Guard hairs stand off the body are about 1½ to 2 inches in length at the withers. Tail hair is slightly longer and stands open in a brush. It is preferred that the Shiba be presented in a natural state. Trimming of the coat must be severely penalized. Serious Fault--Long or woolly coat. Cardigan Welsh Corgi Breed Standard Coat Medium length but dense as it is double. Outer hairs slightly harsh in texture; never wiry, curly or silky. Lies relatively smooth and is weather resistant. The insulating undercoat is short, soft and thick. A correct coat has short hair on ears, head, the legs; medium hair on body; and slightly longer, thicker hair in ruff, on the backs of the thighs to form "pants," and on the underside of the tail. The coat should not be so exaggerated as to appear fluffy. This breed has a shedding coat, and seasonal lack of undercoat should not be too severely penalized, providing the hair is healthy. Trimming is not allowed except to tidy feet and, if desired, remove whiskers. Soft guard hairs, uniform length, wiry, curly, silky, overly short and/or flat coats are not desired. A distinctly long or fluffy coat is an extremely serious fault. Petit Basset Griffon Vendéen Breed Standard Coat - The coat is rough, long without exaggeration and harsh to the touch, with a thick shorter undercoat. It is never silky or woolly. The eyes are surmounted by long eyebrows, standing forward but not obscuring the eyes. The ears are covered by long hair. The lips are covered by long hair forming a beard and moustache. The tail is well furnished with hair. The overall appearance is casual and tousled. The natural, casual and tousled appearance of the breed is vitally important. While some neatening is occasionally necessary, he should be shown naturally. Dogs whose coat has been altered by excessive grooming, sculpting, clipping, or by artificial means shall be so severely penalized as to be effectively eliminated from competition. Spinone Italiano Breed Standard Coat: A Spinone must have a correct coat to be of correct type. The ideal coat length is 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 inches on the body, with a tolerance of 1/2 inch over or under the ideal length. Head, ears, muzzle and front sides of legs and feet are covered by shorter hair. The hair on the backsides of the legs forms a rough brush, but there are never any fringes. The eyes and lips are framed by stiff hair forming eyebrows, mustache and tufted beard, which combine to save fore face from laceration by briar and bush. The coat is dense, stiff and flat or slightly crimped, but not curly, with an absence of undercoat. The Spinone is exhibited in a natural state. The appearance of the Spinone may not be altered. The dog must present the natural appearance of a functional field dog. Dogs with a long, soft or silky coat, the presence of undercoat, or any deviation of the coat is defined in this as well as excessive grooming, i.e., scissoring, clipping, or setting of pattern shall be severely penalized as to eliminate them from further competition. After all the examples about trimming, scissoring, clipping ect what is your conclusion when comparing the GSD's standard to the other breeds which specifially so no clipping, scissoring or trimming???? Rebecca Little Peakes Brook German Shepherds http://sites.centralpets.com/mammals/peakesbrookgsd/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zoa Rockenstein" <zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showing a long coat story >I saw a gsd bitch actually being sheared all over with a pair of scissors >at a show this past weekend. Is that "legal"? > Zoa > Dr. Zoa Rockenstein > www.riverrockshepherds.com > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Doris E <irrenhaus4@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: gsdramey@xxxxxxx > Cc: osmith@xxxxxxxxxxxx; blackhawkfarmsllc@xxxxxxxxxxx; > showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 8:03:31 AM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showing a long coat story > > *You are probably talking of Frohlich's Elsa v Grunestahl ROM, who was > the dam of CH. Lance of Fran-Jo,ROM. Lance of course, was a HUGE > influence in the breed, and the Lance/Bernd v Kallengarten,ROM > combination produced a whole bunch of GREAT dogs. Doris E > * >>Ah, I knew a MALE many moons ago, same thing. He was a very fine dog but >>an >>L.C. >>As Oak says about the bitch, "Not while he was showing>" It's really a >>minor fault anyway. >>I cannot remember her full name, but a splendid foundation bitch -- >>correct >>me if I'm wrong >>on this --- I think --- Elsa Von Gruenestall (sp.) --- for the Fords I >>think -- Got her ROM if I >>remember too. Some very clever grooming out there, not like the Animal >>Planet folks >>on TV now tho --- that is so so -- lost my printable wording actions -- >>Ha! >>Ok, I'll geaux and >>let you wonderful folks enjoy your dogs. Norma no L >> >> > > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the > original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or > FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the > original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. 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