[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V2 #2627
- From: caggra@xxxxxxx
- To: culzeans1@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:29:16 -0400
Page 47 - Section 8 of the Rules apply to Dog Shows -??
It is a PDF on the AKC site, so I could not copy and paste.? If you go to
www.akc.org and search for "Foreign Substances" the pdf comes up, go to page 47
at the bottom.?
It states that any substance that can improve or change the dogs natural
appearance is forbidden.? It even states that substances, drugs etc that are
absolutely?essential for the dogs health and comfort?are?cause for
disqualification?IF they can improve or change the dogs appearance.?
Jeff
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V2 #2627
ok, I think this is kind of long so please bear with me.
I want to know where the rules against hairspray, mousse and bodifier is. Here
is what I read, please tell me where any other rules are that apply.
Rules dismissals
(R) Change in Appearance,Disqualification A dog which has been changed in
appearance by artifical means exept as specified in the standard for its breed.
may not compete at any show and is to be disqualified. Chapter 11 section 8b.
A dog is considered? changed in appearance by artificial means if it has been
subjected to any type of proceedure that has the effect of obscuring, diquising
or eliminating any congenitial or hereditary abnormlity or any undesirable
characteristic or anything that improves a dog's natural appearance,
temperament, bite or gait.
In addition, the insertion of any type of apparatus in the mouth of a dog
disqualifies that dog from competition in dog shows and subjects anyone who
exhibits, or causes to be exhibited, such dog to disciplinary action.
(R) Color: You have the clear authority under Chapter 11 section 8C of the
Rules
to withold awards from any dog which in your opinion has had its natural color
or markings changed. The handler or the owner or both of any dog or dogs from
which any award has been withheld for violation of this sction of the rules, or
any judge who shall fail to perform his duties under this section shall be
subject to disciplinary action.
This is on page 20 and 21 of the rules, policies and guidelines for
conformation
show judges.? In the rules for dog shows it is in chapter 14 section 6. I don't
see anything regarding hairspray, mousse or bodifier, only if it changes the
dogs color or markings as set by their standard. It doesn't even really address
chalk or whitening
Have I missed something? Do I need to read some other rules? What am I missing?
Where is everyone seeing these rules at?
Pam
Msg: #1 in digest
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:23:38 -0700
From: "Kathy Tank" <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Pretty vs Correct
Michael,
the line "personally I dont' have a problem with enhanced dogs" spoke
volumes. I am not stupid
I know, like everyone else it goes on...because we cannot influence the AKC
to change this, we may have to
stick to our own breed, and our own awards to set an example, with luck.
Also DOUBLE HANDLING IS NOT AGAINST AKC RULES...look it up...it is up to the
judge.. The only mention is
in judges' guidelines where it it "discouraged" NO rule against..if you
can find an AKC RULE AGAINST any doubling handling, I will buy you dinner.
. It is perception Michael, if you "don't have a problem" with something
that is cheating , then it gives the appearance
, that you CONDONE it. If you don't "endorse " it...then how can you have
no problem with , again something that is cheating, whether it is chalk,
dye, this potassium permanganate crap, tail fixing, what-have-you?
It is part of the "see no evil " , problem.
Kathy Tank
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:13 AM, BlackHawk Farms LLC <
blackhawkfarmsllc@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Kathy Tank,
> Go back and reread my original post. I never once said that that I am
> offering a justification for it, did I? Nope. So before you jump to
> conclusions, go back, reread the post in its entirety...
>
> No, my post wasnt about problems with enhanced dogs, my post was about WHY.
>
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Msg: #2 in digest
Subject: Re: Pretty vs Correct
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:24:21 -0400
From: caggra@xxxxxxx
I was at an all breed show a?few years?ago and watched a judge excuse 2 or 3
GSDs for having hair spray on their coat.?? The judge touched the coat, smelled
his hand and threw them out of the ring.? I had a Special and was scared
sh*tless to even go in the ring!?? He almost did the same thing to me...He
touched the dogs coat, smelled his hand and said "I suppose you are going to
tell me this is how Ohio water smells huh?"?? He gave me the
Breed, but
WOW.???Until then I really didn't know that hairspray and any subsances were
not
permitted.?? But here again, 10 feet aw
ay from the ring are vendors selling
every spray and illusion that you could possibly need and 10 feet in the other
direction you can hardly see because so much chalk, dust, and powder is being
blown into dogs and up in the air.???Crazy.
Jeff
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From: BlackHawk Farms LLC <blackhawkfarmsllc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx; freelist <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:13 pm
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Pretty vs Correct
Kathy Tank,
Go back and reread my original post. I never once said that that I am
offering a justification for it, did I? Nope. So before you jump to
conclusions, go back, reread the post in its entirety...
No, my post wasnt about problems with enhanced dogs, my post was about WHY.
Double handling is also against the akc rules, anytime there is any outside
interference,
Let me ask you,
How many lakelands have you shown and got ready for the ring? (If you did
and added anything, its against AKC rules)
How
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