Actually, we were ok to spray up a poodle ringside for Mr. Bivin, he never balked about it, he did PCA one year it was not an issue with him. When we showed Teddi (Ch. Rembrandy Ruxpin), we sprayed her right up in the ring for a win photo. He never said a word. In Wheatens when my self, Maripi, my boss Sally and Susie Kipp were spraying up our legs in the ring at the rotating wheaten specialty in Kentucky, he threw a fit. He stopped the class and said, "ITS BAD ENOUGH YOU HAVE IT IN, NOW YOU ARE GOING TO DO IN THE RING? I DONT THINK SO". He walked over took all of our cans and we all walked away like admonished kids. Now Mildred Bryant, on the other hand, is a bit more crafty about it. We would spray them up with 3 layers of bands (like Kaz) and then spray the tops and then back brush it out, if you put enough in it, it stood for the time you were in the ring. I had to think to myself, why are we doing all this work if we are going to just have them look decent for 2 mins, and my boss, (Mark Shanoff) said, "Becasue its pretty,and in this game it goes further than anything..." Personally, In poodles an mini schnauzers, "spray it until it beads up..." is my philosphy Mike > > Ed Bivin will allow hairspray but you had better not have the can > ringside. > > Jeanne > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================