In a message dated 1/7/2006 10:20:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, WyMarGSD2@xxxxxxx writes: No i dont have tube feeding kit but do have bottles and espilac with goats milk... vet said hang tight this morning but for some reason now i just want to prepare myself and think about my options... thus wondering if i should have Catja who has 5 week puppies, nurse them.. someoen told me Yani could reject the puppies!! not sure what to do... never happened before :( Give the puppies a bottle immediately. Use a normal human baby nipple. You do not need a surrogate, just kneel in front of the whelping box, and stick a bottle in their mouth one at a time. Takes just a few minutes; I do not understand 'grams', what is their weight in lbs and oz? example...15 oz, 1.4 lbs,(one pound, 4 oz.) etc. Don't wait. Syd Syd Mailberg 425-432-4144 23910 SE 276th St Maple Valley, Wa. 98038 Animal portraiture www.kingswoodgermanshepherds.homestead.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================