[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: recent posts
- From: Mary-Anne <versatilegsds@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx>, <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx>, <Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <izaackerman@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:50:09 -0400
Many months ago after Magnum was diagnosed with Lymphosarcoma and I started
doing chemo treatments at OVC with him, I tried to start a database for
GSD's that had been lost or were currently ill with cancer. I sent out
pleas for information to this list, to tracking lists, to agility lists, to
obedience lists and to the 'other' show list. I also put a full page story
in the Canadian Gazette asking for information and pedigrees and explaining
that I didn't give a damn who the breeder was, that this information would
be used by OVC and by Dr. Chris Zink to determine if there were truly
genetic components to hemangiosarcoma and lymphosarcoma (I lost Misty to
hemangiosarcoma 6 months before Magnum was diagnosed) and if
spaying/neutering young contributed to it.
Shall I tell you how many replies I received? Four!!!! According to the
statistics, one in eight German Shepherds will die from Hemangiosarcoma and
Lymphosarcoma. Yet, I hear every week of one or more GSD's dying from these
two cancer diseases alone.
I received answers galore from Cavalier King Charles Spaniel breeders,
Corgi, and Labrador Retriever breeders .
At the moment , I know of 3 GSD's in treatment for cancer and I have a
fairly small circle of acquaintances in the GSD world.
There is information but everyone seems to be sure that they will be
'targeted' if they admit that it is in their lines. Such a shame, it sets
back research by 30 years.
Mary-Anne
Magnum: Tersha's Magnum Force CGN PCD CD TDX UTD AGN AGNJ AGNJS RE RN(CL)
N-TDX TEC HIC
Riikka: SG3 Frederika vom Kirschental HIC
Misty: C C Mistral of Waldenridge CGN CD TD AGN RE RA(CL) TEC HIC SGDC 26
June 2001-1 August 2010
Albtal Registered German Shepherds
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From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 3:51 PM
To: scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx ; Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ;
izaackerman@xxxxxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: recent posts
I wish it was determined for sure to be inherited. I participated in the
(last year's?) study.
I lost 2 of my (here's a name from the past) BJ's Kennels dogs to it, at
the time I researched and was told by the veterinary community that it
wasn't
inherited but that it was common in medium and large dogs, purebred and
mutt alike past a certain age. The spleen is the filter for the body. For
years and years it filters bad things so it's not unexpected that it is a
site for cancer in an old dog.
I just lost one to it close to his 11th b-day. I lost his mother (a bitch
I did not breed) to it at over 11.
Is it something inherited? I honestly don't know. If/when I lose a dog
at 11,12,13 to something that takes them quickly w/o suffering (I know the
signs too, so don't let them suffer), I feel it's a blessing to have had
them for so long and that they passed w/o suffering. I've honestly never
had
anyone wanting to use the boys ask about it. In Vinnie's 4th generation
(Vinnie, to JR, to Cody to Cody's mother Rose, Solo's American beauty ROM,
well Rose had it at 14).
I have to tell you there are a lot of things I'd worry about before I
worried about cancer in a very senior dog like bloat/torsion, toxic gut,
epilepsy, UAP, starting to hear panus more....
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/)
In a message dated 9/5/2012 3:26:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx writes:
Is this not what is considered being a reputable breeder is all about
exposing the truth in their bloodline and let others know?
Kathy clearly states she posts it on her website as I read it, so I am
asking will you
tell me privately so please contact me. I have been researching for
answers
for the last 12 years on Hemangiosarcoma and yes it is inherited.
It is in certain GSD bloodlines and it has been here for a very long time.
Research
genetic books, old reviews, dog magazines, talk to vets, it is going to
get worst if breeders
do not realize how devasting this disease is. I get very attached to my
dogs
just like you do and when I lose one it tears my heart out and I want
answers. I
do not blame any breeder that is trying their best but you need to realize
that this deals with the future of the GSD. My heart was broken each time
I lost a GSD to this disease
but it is not going away unless we breed away from it. If it is in your
line you need to out-cross to one that has no history of it. So how do you
know if it is kept secret or shared
privately. Look what happens when you sell a GSD to someone not knowing
and they double up with bloodlines that died from the disease what happens
then?
The GSD I own right now, I know this disease is in his background and yes
he came from a reputable breeder that tests for everything who had no
knowledge of it at the time. Do I believe he will die from it the answer
is
probably yes. I asked his breeder before I bought him if it was in the
line,
the breeder not knowing didn't think so due to not being told. I now will
probably suffer the heartache of losing him to Hemangiosarcoma since he is
starting to show certain signs.
Theresa
On Wed, 9/5/12, Penny & Bill <Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Penny & Bill <Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: recent posts
To: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx, izaackerman@xxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, September 5, 2012, 2:47 PM
I don't think it should be a requirement to post from what dogs died in
The
Review. It's personal. However, I have NOTHING to hide and if anyone
wants
to know anything, just ask me. No subterfuge, no tricks, just the truth.
Penny in NC
The Farm Dog
I agree.
I usually put something on my web site but it may take a few months.
If the purpose of the original poster was to study pedigrees, there's an
easy way to find out what genetic bads are in a pedigree. TALK DIRECTLY TO
THE BREEDERS INVOLVED.
I know without a doubt I could call Iza this minute and if I was
considering breeding to/buying something she would be brutally honest
about
which of
her dogs produced this or that, what I should consider, what has worked,
what hasn't and also what I should consider breeding away from. And there
are dozens and dozens more just like her.
Now, if I was just calling to gather gossip, different story. Too many
people in dogs like to collect information to gossip and then the next
time
you hear snippets you wouldn't recognize it.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit __http://www.pinehillgsds.com/__ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_)
(_http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) )
I take exception to what was said about telling people what my dog (any
dog) died from. I don�t like to post my personal griefs, and
surely
wouldn�
t put it in the Review. (not that any dog of mine that anyone would be
interested in has passed away recently). Good grief -
Iza Kabuska-Ackerman
www.Karizmashepherds.com
AKC Breeder of Merit
Breeder of a Canadian Grand Victor, an American Grand Victor,
and many more beautiful dogs !
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