Nicely Stated Evan :) In the end it is a crap shoot. Our GSD's are dying at a much younger age. The health of our breed in is a serious decline with the age span. It is sad that the thirteen club is an accomplishment when it should be the norm. How many times do we see here on the list on the rainbow bridge of a young GSD passing? Way too often as I see it. That is an issue that needs addressed in improving our breed, longevity, we can all agrue whose dog is better, but I believe it is time to focus on health issues, regardless of the origin, and improve the standard to the point that a life of 13 years is the expectation, not the exception. Honesty in bloodlines and traits that are passed on is key to resolving this health issue. I am responding as I am currently sitting on the GSD sidelines focused on my Corgi program, and not currently showing any GSD's, at least for now :) Thanks Evan for giving me something respond too other than my Masters Degee Course Work :) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================