My family bred working Sibs for years and I still have one to remind me how much I should appreciate my GSD's. LOL. They are very naughty dogs...love to runaway....don't listen....absolutely wll only do what they want to do.....can't be obediencd trained unless they think it is their idea.....and are the sweetest, silliest dogs you could ever want to own. I will always have at least one. Seriously, they do like to run, the one I currently have will be gone in a new york minute if she gets loose. She'll come back eventually.....but only on her terms. However, I've also owned some that are trainable and actually come when called. Their coat is thick and soft and when they shed they just shed and shed and shed....in chunks...which is a little better than all that hair all over the place. They like to dig which besides the running is probably their worst trait. They are also excellent hunters (as in kill little animals in the backyard), very social to other dogs, good with kids and not at all protective. They do not usually bark, but will howl and whine. They are also very clean dogs. I know some big breeders, not in CA, but I can certainly check around for you. Cindy Beryl <arelee_1020@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: No, I am not looking for one ! I will be a GSD owner all my life ! However a very dear friend and former neighbor wants one. I have checked some of the breed column in the AKC Gazette etc. since the breeds are kind of rotated in the month publications (and I don't keep them forever) I didn't find very much in the issues I have. They will not show, or breed they want a nice healthy pet. I didn't ask about the possibility of an older dog, I don't know if the want M or F etc. Basically I am inquiring for her to give her some basic info. My AKC book, "The Complete Dog Book" is not the latest edition, in fact the info is probably incorrect /outdated, since it is a 1964 edition. They live in N. California, and I assume would want to visit and see the dogs, not have one shipped sight unseen. Thanks in advance for any info you may be able to provide. Beryl Eshom Arelee GSD Davis, CA ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ Cindy www.cinosamgsd.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================