My Vinny had DM. He was 13 when I put him down. As you say he had good days and bad. I put him on Meta cam when it first started at about age 10. It seemed to help. I knew the time was coming soon . First he lost control of his bowels. When it was firm it wasn't to bad. Then it turned to liquid and he lost control of the bladder as well. Does this happen with all dogs with DM? Or did we miss something totally un related? He was such a proud dog and was devastated when he messed in his crate or stepped in something. About a couple of weeks before we took him in I had a gal come out and take some candid shots. He could still walk but not well. Didn't know if we could get him to the front yard but we did. I knelt down to hug him and when I stood up he took off to hide behind the hay stack out back. When I found him sitting behind the haystack it was like he was grinning from ear to ear. I had to laugh with him. He didn't make it back to the house near as fast. But very proud just the same. As for wheels. We never got to that point. However I also have Mini Wire Dachshunds. Two friends have used them and the dogs have no trouble going out side. The only problems were if the dog decided to do stairs or caught the wheel on an obstacle . They were either stuck or got tipped over. I know one of the carts was made so we could put a diaper under the bitch and we just changed her pants. Both dogs by the way started swimming and can both walk again. My brothers bitch (age 10) has bladder cancer. She has no pain and still runs around playing with the other dogs but has to wear a diaper all the time. They keep the rear clippered for easier clean up. It is so hard to walk a dog into the vets office for the last time. Vinny, I think was ready. When the vet came in with the needle. Vinny put his paw out ( like he always did for a hand shake) as if to say here is my vein, I'm ready. I will never stop crying every time I think about it. Judi ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================