[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement....NOT!
- From: Cinosam GSD <cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx, 'The List' <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:05:53 -0700 (PDT)
My absolute biggest pet peeve in ring procedure is when a judge has his dogs in
the order he likes them, but then decides to do the down and back one more
time. At this point he does a major shuffle of all the dogs, putting a lessor
sidegaiter up front; thus suggesting that the other dog(s) were faulty in their
down and backs. IMO this is fault judging. Worse yet, the implication to all
of us ringside is that the other dog(s) have major faults coming and going
which more often then not, is not true; else why didn't he catch it on the
individual.
I personally prefer a judge that has his top picks in the first few passes
(the WOW factor) reinforces those picks on the individuals and then lets those
top dogs battle it out with a few more turns in the ring.
Cindy
ANN SCHULTZ <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes, they can have outstanding side gait from the side and be faulty coming
and going and still work all day and do it more efficiently then a dog with no
extension at all from the side. As you said coming and going and side movement
are all to be faulted, but my argument is that squeaky clean coming and going
will win over outstanding side gait, even though the dog can't move out of its
own way, which is a serious fault. Ann Kay Reamensnyder Betty Doerpinghaus
wrote: I would tend to agree with you........
however, in defense of NONbreeder judges......
remember how our standard reads (the very last sentence
of the standard): "Faults of gait, whether from front, rear
or side, are to be considered very serious faults.
If we want sidegait to have preference, the standard should
say just that.
Also, there are faults in gait that are just as obvious from the
side as from coming and going.......for example, locked hocks
are just as obvious from observing side gait as well as observing
going away.....as are padding, flipping etc. coming at you.
So, hypothetically speaking, the question is really this:
Can a dog with faults coming and going really have correct gait
from the side????
Kay
-Kay Reamensnyder and Betty Doerpinghaus -Home of Bedkar German Shepherds
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ELG440@xxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement....NOT!> Date: Mon, 14 Jul
2008 16:09:43 -0500> > Okay, so here's a hypothetical. You're deciding between
two dogs for the> points.One is less than 100% either going away or coming in,
or maybe even> both. Not gruesome, but not 100%.However, his type is beautiful
and he's a> drop dead gorgeous sidegaiter. The second dog is clean as a pin
coming and> going,but "just a dog" in terms of type and motion.Not bad, but
clearly not> as good as the first dog in type or sidegait. Which one do you put
up ? No> fence riding. My take is that most all-breed judges would put up the
second> dog, most specialty judges the first.> > tom elkins> Firethorn Temple>
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[mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]> On Behalf Of Nancy Harper> Sent:
Monday, July 14, 2008 10:38 AM> To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx;
The List> Cc: ELG440@xxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement....NOT!> > I
am not going to Kill you now Carolyn because I agree with you. I think > the
overly long lower stifle has thrown our dogs out of balance. They are >
compensating for this by doing whatever they can to move forward. i.e. >
dragging toes, locking up, etc.> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn
Martello" > To: ; "The List" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 2:26 PM>
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement....NOT!> > > I say, if they have a locked
hock, let's eat them. It solves the problem > inthe breed,> and cuts down on
our food bill at the same time A win/win situation. > Evan>
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************************************************> *******> Evan,That won't
work--we'll never have another major at a dog show, since > there> are a heck
of a lot of locked hocks being shown! hehehe Penny in NY>
========================================================> > That seems to be
the case at many shows. It appears to me that in the> fascination for seeking
the extra inch of front extension..... our Breed is > seriously> lacking in
it's major force of movement.......the powerful rear thrust from > a correct>
and powerful driving rear......and a good back to transmit that power > through
to> the front. The best solution for many of the dogs is to rotate the stifle >
outward in> the rear follow through to keep from dragging it's toes.....> A dog
like that cannot stop and twist and turn to herd sheep....and we are > losing>
the tails as rudders for balance.......they are more like a dead flopping >
rag.> > No wonder our handlers are holding the dogs up and holding them to
gether to> navigate a few turns around the ring. No wonder we're dependent upon
our> handlers to have a powerful left arm......we don't have that power in our
> dogs.> > Kill me now......................I'm useless on the food chain
anyway. > > > Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> www.Marhaven.com> >
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