[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ivermectin
- From: "Steve Grainger" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Robert Utter" <utter227@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:22:21 -0600
Anne.....what happened to the puppy was not an allergic reaction..I had a
similar experience awhile back...the ivomec kills worms by paralyzing the
central nervous system..what was seen in the puppy..is exactly how the worm
dies.the puppies usually have seizures continuously, they can't walk..they
try to stand and fall down...the only thing you can do is maintain
them..ie..fluids..and when they can begin to swallow..a high calorie
supplement and keeping them warm... if you can pull them through it..they
are fine..does not appear to be any lasting effect..I was using ivomec the
way many use it..undiluted..I now have gone back to diluting it..the way I
had done years before..this was my one and only problem with ivomec...since
going back to the diluted method..I have never had a problem with it...I
have since used it diluted in puppies that were 16 weeks old or so...and
know others that have, too. Also..there seems to be an undocumented link
between..undiluted dosage of ivomec..and fertility issues..since also going
back to the diluted...the birches have had better seasons...and rarely
miss..whereas before..I was having unexplained misses..bounced this theory
off my vet..who said..he had observed the same thing...seemed like those
coon dog breeders I mentioned before..were having bitches that missed...and
or bitches with irregular heat cycles...my vet said he had no proof..but
advised them to go back to diluting as this was the only thing they were
doing differently....the problem corrected..of course this is an
unscientific study...but interesting nonetheless..apparently
undiluted...the dosage is 200 times the normal amount need to kill heart
worm. C.Grainger
> [Original Message]
> From: Robert Utter <utter227@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 12/30/2004 12:26:20 PM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] ivermectin
>
> Now that I'm back on the list after vacation time, I'll tell what
> happened with the puppy that I'd asked a friend to post about
> concerning Ivermectin.
>
> The pup was just a bit over 8 weeks, had been sold and and was taken
> to the vet for the puppy shot and exam. This vet evidently was used
> to always giving ivermectin to all pups for worming etc. He
> figured, I guess, that ivermectin would also act as a heartworm
> preventative at the same time as worming him with it.
>
> Soon after that, the pup started staggering and went down. The new
> owner rushed him back to the vet who gave him charcoal and then had to
> put in an i.v. and I don't know what all else he did. Eventually he
> also put in a stomach tube for feeding. At first the pup could not even
> swallow. He nearly died. After several days of deep sleep and
> occasional wake periods he became awake enough to swallow and show
> signs of recognition. He is home now and pretty much back to
> normal. It remains to be seen if there is brain damage but it doesn't
> appear so at this time.
>
> I was appalled that a vet would give so young a pup ivermectin which is
> not labeled for small animal use except in HeartGard. Some vets do
> use it as part of the heartworm treatment/recovery. It would have
> been quite easy to use a recommended puppy wormer and a recommended
> puppy heartworm prevention. I think this is a wake up call for
> some to take an active role in what the vets give pups in regard to
> worming, puppy shots etc. Some vets are still giving the "lepto" in
> the first shot for instance. Most do not as it often causes reactions.
>
> I, for one, will never give ivermectin in any form for my dogs, pups
> or otherwise. I know that they can be allergic to other medications
> but I've heard more about and experienced more with this Ivermectin
> than any other. Has anyone had a dog that reacted to Interceptor?
> Anne, TN
>
>
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