There are many breeds used to guard flocks, but GSDs and Old English Sheepdogs are not among them. There is a big difference between a HERDING breed (such as the GSD, border collie, OES, sheltie, etc.) and a GUARDIAN breed. A herding breed moves stock. A guardian breed LIVES with the flock full time. He/she becomes part of the flock and is NOT a "pet". Sheep will actually run TO the guardian dog when they become frightened. Often, when a herding dog is sent out to bring in the sheep, the guardian dog comes along with the flock as a "member". Of course, you have to be very careful with that and the guardian dog must know the dog that is herding! In South Carolina, we used an Anatolian Shepherd who was fantastic. I also have friends that have used Great Pyrenees & Maremmas. I also know other people that have llamas as guardians and a couple of people that have used donkeys. I have never met a Russian Ovtcharka nor do I personally know anyone that actually uses them as a flock guardian, but from the sounds of it and the breed description, I imagine they would be good, too! Julie Degen In a message dated 1/24/2007 2:24:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, sheila writes: True enough, but not every rancher has the ability to manage such a dog as you do. A Great Pyr, or GSD or Old English and others that are much easier to handle and more up the alley of tough but not as educated in dogs, rancher. sheila ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================