In a message dated 1/25/2007 7:57:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, EJDegen@xxxxxxx writes: Often, when a herding dog is sent out to bring in the sheep, the guardian dog comes along with the flock as a "member". Of course, you have to be very careful with that and the guardian dog must know the dog that is herding! In South Carolina, we used an Anatolian Shepherd who was fantastic. I also have friends that have used Great Pyrenees & Maremmas. I also know other people that have llamas as guardians and a couple of people that have used donkeys. I have never met a Russian Ovtcharka nor do I personally know anyone that actually uses them as a flock guardian, but from the sounds of it and the breed description, I imagine they would be good, too! Hi Julie!!! Our Ovtcharka's breeder uses them actively on her Montana ranch (5,000 acres) to guard flocks. For herding they have Border Collies. It is a very interesting dynamic to watch the relationship between the two types of dogs. Another lady uses them to protect her show Huskies from Mtn Lion predation, and it works. The herding dogs working and moving the herd , assisting the owner..and the Guardian breed with "I have everyone's back" they do indeed live amongst the herd, starting as very young puppies. Their SOLE purpose (as you know , owning an Anatolian) is to GUARD the herd, the territory, the owner. They will even protect the unfortunate orphaned and weak until help arrives to take over. This is not only in relation to the flock , but anything/anyone "owned" by the breeds....including children, baby birds, deer. I think it is why for all of "Sezja's" size and ferocity in protecting our place, and me out on runs...that she is SUPREMELY gentle with Kaitlyn...she seems to understand that Kaitlyn is the weakest lamb of our "flock" Kathy Tank _Victory German Shepherds_ (http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/index.htm) ~ WEBSITE UPDATED: DEC 14, 2006 Home of CH. ELVASTON'S NATIONS CUP, TC, OFA H/E DNA'D "NITRO" 26 BISS/ BESTS OF BREED TO DATE 2006 PACIFIC COAST VICTOR ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================