Thank you Fred!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx To: nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; gsdshowlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [gsdshowlist] setting up dogs The answer to question 1 and 2 are the same for some reason they think the more extreme the topline the better. I have given up as a judge telling people not to do it that way and I now try to visualize how they would looked if done correctly. I went so far as to tell the handlers at the National in 99 that the male dog had sent me a petition asking me to ask the handlers not to do that as it hurt their testicles when they were stretched that much. To no avail. Question #3 naturally needs no answer we all know it should be perpendicular to the ground. Fred In a message dated 5/15/2009 3:09:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: First question: (I hope this doesn't start a riot). But, I can't keep this to myself any longer, and I really would appreciate it if someone, anyone, would PLEASE explain why, oh why, some handlers and non-pros also persist and insist on setting up Shepherds with the back leg facing the judge stretched soooooo far back that the dog can hardly keep it's balance? Second question: Why do they ALSO put the outside back let so far up under the dog that the entire hock is placed flat on the ground? Third question: Is not the hock suppose to be parallel to the ground? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2118 - Release Date: 05/16/09 17:05:00 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================