[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: futurities etc.
- From: "Beryl" <arelee_1020@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:16:26 -0700
Ann, I agree with you about the RED BOOK.
I worked on the first one and several early issue's when Cappy began
tabulating. At that time I lived in Livermore and I was only a little over
an hour from her. The big problem then was getting info from the people with
qualifiers in a timely manner.
Once people began to realize the recognition they received via the RED BOOK,
every one wanted to get on the " BAND WAGON ".
That may not be so much of an issue now. Owners of the top dogs and bitches
like the publicity the Red Book and special litter with wins gives them.
As for Kathy mentioning getting her money back from Futurities. That did
happen in the late 60's. It was,however, short lived. There were people I
knew who lived in the San Jose, Calif. area. Bob and Joan Van Gorkum, they
had a bitch that was a Hy-vert'a Gallant of Arbywood daughter, bred her to
GV Yoncalla"s Mike, and the whole litter placed in Futurities. If I recall
correctly their kennel name was Vanjo. Those days before Redbook etc.,
entries were so large that a trip to the regional Futurity could just about
be paid for with the prize money that was given at that time.
Those were the day's.......
Beryl Eshom
Arelee
Davis, CA.
----- Original Message -----
From: <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:35 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: futurities etc.
> If you really want to knock down entries in futurities, Stop the sire and
> dam rankings. I would only enter dogs I think I could get Best in Futurity
> or Maturity with in that case , instead of added point cotributors to
> their dams and sires. I think the Redbook is a valuable tool for looking
> at early on producers in the futurity system. Points are awarded by number
> of dogs defeated, so a dog can win a small futurity and get hardly any
> points, even less then a dog placing in a large class at another futurity.
> A really good indicator of a producer is also noted in the Redbook,
> showing the number of litters a dog has produced to get there and who was
> bred to them. Ann
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kathy Tank" <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:10:33 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: futurities etc.
>
> Part of the problem with the Futurities is that we base our stud dog
> rankings on them.
> Dogs get x amount of points for progeny going "Reserve Reserve Best
> Opposite
> to the Almost Best Dog, but Not Quite".....or almost just for showing up.
> So the Winner, may have only beaten a handful of dogs, as was evident in
> males last year at the SP Fut, where the BIF male had to beat a total of 8
> or 9 dogs....there wasn't even a JR class for the Futurity males.
> Now "getting wood" (stop it Evan) is great, but really Diane, your words
> "dumbing down" are perfect.
> Entries overall are dwindling because of the state of the economy. Many
> would rather show at ptd shows, where it counts for something.
> As much as I know I will be zapped for saying this, let's do away with the
> multiple qualifiers for the Finals, and make it Best in Fut/Mat Male and
> Female per region...period.
> Lets stop using the futurity system for stud dog rankings, and let them be
> what they were supposed to be ....a great puppy match. Let's give
> monetary
> incentives instead of stud dog points. I tell you, I would love to go to
> a
> show and get my money back in any form.
> But I haven't had enough coffee...so what the heck do I know.
> Kathy
>
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