Yes Theresa and that's before we had DNA and a more exact explanation of color genetics. White in GSDs in not a true white gene, it is a masking gene. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ In a message dated 8/2/2014 3:35:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: It is not a fading gene but a white GSD bred to GSD with white dog in the background produces washed out colors. Willis: German Shepherd Dog "The Inheritance of Coat Colour" page 274 "White animals used in coloured lines will lead to paling of colours and in this aesthetic aspect they are undesirable." Willis: German Shepherd Dog "The Standards of the Breed and The Inheritance of Coat Colour page 26 whites bred to coloured dogs will give rise to normal color coloured progeny unless the coloured dog also carries the "white" allele. " "The black saddle fades slowly and may not be complete until the dog is more than 2 years of age." Theresa GSDCA Member scenecrest@xxxxxxxxx -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 8/2/14, dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: do you really promise to listen? To: dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Saturday, August 2, 2014, 2:36 PM No, that's not true Theresa. As Barb says the white gene is noit a fading gene. What we call a "white" actually has some cream/buff. You can have too light/fading/silver (yuck!) and not have any white at all in a pedigree. Best way to tell if a puppy will fade (aside from the obvious lack of pigment)? Look at the tip of their tails. Anything other than black and that puppy will fade a LOT as an adult. Not pleasing to me, that's for sure. Tip I learned in the Willis book. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ In a message dated 8/2/2014 11:36:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Not a fading gene possibly but whitish color produces washed out colors in the GSD. Ending up with sables or black and tans with this washed out color when bred to a Pure White looking GSD with the pink ears. Where does the silver, cream, etc. if not the white does not introduce it? Theresa GSDCA Member scenecrest@xxxxxxxxx -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 8/2/14, dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: The white gene in GSDs It is not a fading gene. That is a separate gene. Barb Hively - PA ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================