I do see the dogs that are not rich in color but still not the ones I am referring to as they are black and cream or black and silver. If this website is correct on color not their dogs. :-) "Liver, Blue and White are genetically diluted colors" http://www.4germanshep.com/coat_colors.htm How can white GSDs not be producing "genetically diluted colors"? Color has not been as important to me until the possibly change to the GSDCA Breed Standard now it is. Having experience with owning GSDs that had one white parent and one rich dark black and tan the pups in the litter that appeared were the washed out GSD color. So I do know this happens more than people realize. If you go back in their pedigrees you will usually find the hidden white GSD in the background. Reason genetics is so complicated as genes can lie hidden for many generations to surface later. Theresa GSDCA Member scenecrest@xxxxxxxxx -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 8/2/14, Rbuffdogs . <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: As far as the quote from FL, about seeing almost "black and white dogs" we see that every weekend at specialties. Dogs that are dark, with very very faded creme and almost silver legs, chests, etc. It is not attractive, and it seems to have become the norm in many parts of the country. People think b/c a dog is dark that is has "good pigment". That is not correct. To have truly "good pigment" a dog must have rich secondary coloring as well. It is not limited to dogs that have a white parent, obviously, as it has become all too pervasive , in recent years. Kathy *http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com <http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/>* *CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBsCH. Victory's Leviathan * *RBIF CH. Monarch's Tarragon v Kaleef* *Kappo von Eisenwerk* *"Victory...*Vires et honestas" On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm < dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > White GSDs are not Albinos but most true whites do have pink look inside > their ears. > > I know he is not popular here, but felt he had a point in his statement > as most of the GSDs that had one white > parent usually do have a white over tan color in parts of their body with > no white markings. As white markings > are a different gene involved. In order to get the rich colors you need to > stay away from dogs with faded genes or > white. > > FL quote: > > "When white GSDs are brought into a colored family line, we frequently see > offspring that almost look like “black-and-white” dogs because of sharp > contrast between the dark upper parts (such as the saddle and head > markings) and the lower markings or under parts that in other dogs are more > often some shade of tan or brown—legs, belly, etc." > > Theresa > GSDCA Member > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================