[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: coat color = terminology
- From: Peggy <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: karekedi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:55:22 -0500
The reason I said that about greys is because sometimes the grey is
uniform, with no shading (typical sable mask or hint of same, and
shading behind the withers running down behind the elbows)........ when
the individual hairs are banded with different colours, that is
agouti.........some people will call that sable...agouti is not a
recognized colour in the breed..........it becomes sable.
A Grey dog will have black pigment.........including his nose and
the pads of the feet (the pads may not be black at birth but very soon
thereafter) an otherwise grey dog without black pigment would be a blue
(speaking genetically, now, I believe).........Sables have black
pigment, too...no matter what shade of sable they are.
I think the original comments about grey being the only colour
that could improve pigment really meant a sable......either a wolf or
grey sable.......
A black overlay may not always be "tipped" hairs........the base colour
could be grey or a variation of red/brown...but there will be enough
black hairs throughout the coat to give it an "overlaid"
appearance............if the hairs are mixed together well enough, you'd
have a sable..........
Peggy
Connie wrote:
>Thanks everyone for their ideas of bi-colors , greys and sables . I see that
>there are some differences in opinions at least in discriptions (terminology).
>That is mainly what I am interested in .
>Bi-color - I have been told by some that if a dog has any tan on his face that
>he can't be a bi-color so I wondered what the majority opinion was on that .
>(my Drago is a bi-color, with the black face I might add) <G>
>
>Grey - I have asked the question for many years and either get an I don't
>know, or a gray sable, or other answers . In my thinking , if that is worth
>anything, I do not believe that sable is the answer, or I wonder maybe if the
>true grey has disappeared .<??> It was listed as a separate color from the
>beginning, but I have never seen it described anywhere . I heard people say
>years ago that it was the only color that could improve pigment in one
>generation . I have also heard it said that they are born with all black toes
>and noses .I am just repeating what I have heard , I have no Idea . Wish I
>could find out .
>I like what Peggy said .
>"Some sables are grey. I don't know if all greys are sables, but we tend to
>call them sables............"
>
>Sables - I have never owned a sable, but I have heard varying descriptions ,
>Just terminology , we all know what a sable looks like . But, I hear the word
> banded which to me means a band of color halfway down the hair shaft . Then
>the word tipping which to me means black or other dark color on the tips of
>the hair ( overlay would be the same to me as tipping ) I have heard the word
>shading to mean a couple of different things. To me it is the same color
>getting slightly lighter, as it gets closer to the base . I have heard some to
>describe it as a change of color .
>The rabbit people have coat color terminology down to a science . They have
>pictures and descriptions and they all understand exactly what each other are
>talking about . They all use the same terminology , as a result their color
>genetics are pretty easy to understand. Knowing about this of course gave me
>an interest in the coat color terminology in GSD's .
>I think this may be the reason no one today seems to have an absolute
>description of a grey. (There were not many of them around and no one wrote
>it down .)
>
>So what are your thoughts on this ?
>
>OK NOW I AM DUCKING AND RUNNING, JUST IN CASE ! <LOL>
>
>Connie
>
>
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