Thanks everyone for their ideas of bi-colors , greys and sables . I see that there are some differences in opinions at least in discriptions (terminology). That is mainly what I am interested in . Bi-color - I have been told by some that if a dog has any tan on his face that he can't be a bi-color so I wondered what the majority opinion was on that . (my Drago is a bi-color, with the black face I might add) <G> Grey - I have asked the question for many years and either get an I don't know, or a gray sable, or other answers . In my thinking , if that is worth anything, I do not believe that sable is the answer, or I wonder maybe if the true grey has disappeared .<??> It was listed as a separate color from the beginning, but I have never seen it described anywhere . I heard people say years ago that it was the only color that could improve pigment in one generation . I have also heard it said that they are born with all black toes and noses .I am just repeating what I have heard , I have no Idea . Wish I could find out . I like what Peggy said . "Some sables are grey. I don't know if all greys are sables, but we tend to call them sables............" Sables - I have never owned a sable, but I have heard varying descriptions , Just terminology , we all know what a sable looks like . But, I hear the word banded which to me means a band of color halfway down the hair shaft . Then the word tipping which to me means black or other dark color on the tips of the hair ( overlay would be the same to me as tipping ) I have heard the word shading to mean a couple of different things. To me it is the same color getting slightly lighter, as it gets closer to the base . I have heard some to describe it as a change of color . The rabbit people have coat color terminology down to a science . They have pictures and descriptions and they all understand exactly what each other are talking about . They all use the same terminology , as a result their color genetics are pretty easy to understand. Knowing about this of course gave me an interest in the coat color terminology in GSD's . I think this may be the reason no one today seems to have an absolute description of a grey. (There were not many of them around and no one wrote it down .) So what are your thoughts on this ? OK NOW I AM DUCKING AND RUNNING, JUST IN CASE ! <LOL> Connie ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================