I want to thank those who replied to my message, however, I wasn't questioning the wisdom of voting for judges if a member doesn't know anything about specific venues and the judges involved. I was questioning a couple messages on the list recommending that the PC somehow disenfranchise the ability of members to vote if they don't participate in these venues. I've copied the messages in question below: xxxxxxxxxxx start first message in question xxxxxxxxxx It seems very simple to implement, to me. As part of the annual membership renewal, a poll is taken, a simple matrix where each member is asked to indicate his/her primary area of interest -- listed in alphabetical order: Agility Conformation Herding Obedience Rally Working Dog Then by each there are columns labeled "Primary" and "Secondary". Members are told that if they wish to vote in the future they must indicate, via a check mark, which activity is their primary interest. When it comes time for voting, members are sent specific ballots with only their primary area of interest. Yes,,, this will take a little effort on the part of the administrator but the benefits would be tremendous. xxxxxxxxxxx end of first message xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxx start second message in question xxxxxxxxxx I *COMPLETELY* disagree that Michel's proposal would be a good method. Some of us truly do believe in the "total" dog and compete in multiple venues and would like to have a vote in the venues in which we actively compete!!!! By only allowing someone to vote in ONE venue, you would be dividing the breed...hardly encouraging to the versatile dog!! I have no idea on how to make the following suggestion practical, but if people are concerned that there are people voting who are not active participants, then perhaps we require that someone have shown (or even just entered) the national in the venue in which they are voting on within the previous 5 years to be allowed to vote. For example, in 2007, I entered dogs & competed in conformation, herding, agility, obedience & rally. I would then be allowed to vote on judges in those 5 venues until 2012. This way, if someone misses one or two years, they are still able to have a 'voice'. If someone doesn't compete for 5 years within that venue, then they don't need a voice. xxxxxxxxxx end second message xxxxxxxxxx Sorry for any confusion. Gayle & the Hooligans! http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=6&uidB94023 - Link to The Hooligans Albums -- "arycrest@xxxxxxxxxxx" <arycrest@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: The resident pet owner here has a couple questions to those who wish to disenfranchise my right, and the rights of other members, to vote for the judges of any, or all, venues at the National. First, what will stop you from going one step further some day and disenfranchising our rights to vote for the President or members of the BOD because you might decide we don't know enought about those running for election? 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