I don't speak for the whites. Nor do I speak for the blacks. Hell, I don't speak for anyone other than myself. From what I understand the white folks want to eliminate the color as a disqualifying fault. They know that after 90 years or so, they are not going to win in conformation. But, they believe they are German shepherds, and they should be recognized as such. I may be wrong, but those I have spoken to feel that if white was not a disqualifying fault in conformation, then they would be treated as an equal in all aspects of the breed. They do now compete in obedience, rally, etc. That change would open the entire range of our breed to them. It is an interesting question. Today I read a copy of a letter written to the AKC by someone who believes the whites should be allowed in the conformation ring. It was an interesting letter. If the List administrators would allow me to do so, I would post it. It is well reasoned, without passion, and a personal life experience that helped to form an opinion. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Evan L. Ginsburg gsyrfund.com Asgard German Shepherds _http://www.asgardgsd.com_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) Where Type Movement and Temperament come together In a message dated 10/25/13 3:09:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bnbgsds2000@xxxxxxxxx writes: Not beimg sarcastic just curious why do you want to stay especially now that Whites are no longer able to win the top obedience awards. The chances of you winning in conformation is slim. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================