OK I agree with much of what you say. Keeping all that in mind then we should all be breeding the type of dog that is shown in the illustrated standard. Why have we spent the last 10 years or so trying to change it? Why have the dogs changed so dramatically over the last 50 years?? Inquiring minds want to know. Terry ________________________________ From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: barbara17236@xxxxxxx; genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 9:21:28 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: White GSD / WHY? Difference is that ( so far ) no one breaks off and specifically breeds GSD with down ears.....or males with undescended testicles.......<G>.........nor are they trying to change the Standard to adhere to what they want. Typically when that happens they are placed with no AKC Reg....or a limited AKC Reg. Obviously there is a place for the white GSD as many people LOVE THEM!! MANY people would own nothing else.....no problem.....but to ask to have the Breed Standard changed IS the problem. It has nothing to do with respecting someone's preferences......it has to do with respecting a Breed Standard. It is after all what makes each Breed what it is and recognizable as what it is. You KNOW when you see a Boxer you are going to see a white blaze....not a half white body. You KNOW when you see an Aussie you are going to see a white chest and feet....not a half white or all white body. You Know when you see a Daschund you will not see erect ears................ New Breeds are being accepted quite a bit by AKC......in all the years of trying to change this Breed's Standard Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: barbara17236@xxxxxxx To: genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx ; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:53 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: White GSD / WHY? I understand wanting to follow the breed standard BUT how many breeders have bred a GSD whose ears didn't come all the way up? Isn't that a DQ? What about that beautiful male whose one testicle never appeared? That's suppose to be a DQ but it is NOT listed on the AKC Official Breed Standard for the GSD. Each breeder has their own preferences, and believes, and I can respect their decision not to breed to a white. Barb H -----Original Message----- From: Amy Greenhut <genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 12:24 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: White GSD / WHY? Because white is unacceptable...that is why. it is a disqualifying fault. it is ust that simple...end of discussion. Why should they just be bred to other white GSDs aside from "that's what the tandard says"? That seems like saying you should only breed sable to sable nd black and tan to black and tan. f everything is in order and it's a nice bitch, why not? -- ackie and Strauss ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================