I'm chiming in now. Diane asked the question and I answered privately but will make it a list post as well. I feel the same way Amy and some others do. I think some of the white's are beautiful, but I would not breed my stud to a white female no matter what her clearances, titles or conformation is. I just don't believe in mixing the white's with the colored dogs, period!! As Amy, I don't intend to be rude or short, it's a personal conviction I have and a right as a stud dog owner to breed to the bitches I approve. There are some black/tan breeders that would never introduce a sable into their breeding program no matter what, that is their right as well. As far as breeding to or using a monorchid male, falls in the same category as breeding to a white in my book, will not happen in my kennel. Breeding to a dog whose ears never came up is something I would not recommend doing on a regular basis, but knowing the lines and the reason they never came up would have to be taken into consideration if choosing to do the breeding. I think most of the white GS breeders respect the fact that some people choose not to breed their males to white bitches. The fact remains that right now the white dogs are disqualified and the why's don't really matter. It is what it is right now, and if the white GS people would like to split off to make it their own breed, I am all for that. It will stop using the colored dogs in the pedigrees and prevent people from getting unexpected white puppies in a litter. Chris Chris S. (Jolley) Kimerer www.tanbarkgsd.com AOE Sel.Ex.Ch.Carousel Farms Samantha, PT, TC OFA H/E Ch. CaralonQED JD Drew Bleibtreu OFA H/E Ch. Cresthers Blast V Kenlyn OFA --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Amy Greenhut <genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Amy Greenhut <genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: White GSD / WHY? To: marcatoshepherds@xxxxxxxxx Cc: "GSD list" <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 3:13 PM Actually Jackie.....I have no problem with white German Shepherds. some of them are beautiful like a couple of the pics that someone posted yesterday. I thought the first three were beautiful dogs. Hey...i might even own one someday. But I would never breed a female white GS to one of my b/t boys. I just think that they should stay separated as far as color. I also did not mean to be so abrupt with you last night. I have had two really bad days here . The puppies came...everything looked great. Mystery was very nervous for some reason and I had a little boy puppy that was not doing good right from the start. I had been fighting to keep him alive and he died last night so I was not in a very good mood...so I apologize to you. Amy Greenhut Justrock German Shepherds Gen Oak Leopard Tortoises & Tortoise Rescue Behold The Turtle, He Makes Progress Only When He Sticks His Neck Out A Quote By James B. Conant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Short" <marcatoshepherds@xxxxxxxxx> To: "GSD list" <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:31:13 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: White GSD / WHY? I said "aside from the DQ" (which seems like it even lacks reasoning for now). -- Jackie and Strauss ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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