In a message dated 10/26/2006 8:29:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: when you get right down to it, so are all the exhibitors. Yes they are. I remember a show where a young gal had put her bitch in both 12-18 and Am. Bred. Won 12-18, didn't win Am. Bred. The judge was from Australia, so more than likely was relying on his steward, who called the bitch back for Winners. Karin Wagner had the Am Bred winner, I had the Open winner. Karin politely told the steward the bitch was ineligible. The steward disagreed, there was confusion and I walked over from where I was "hiding", naturally backed up what Karin was saying because the bitch was indeed ineligible to return for Winners having been defeated, the steward called a rep over to verify, and the judging resumed without the bitch in question. But it is indeed up to the competitors to know the rules, because these things come up. BTW, it is the responsibility of every show chair to have on hand the pertinent rule books on the day of the show/event (in addition to evacuation and disaster plans, etc, etc.) I don't think anyone should be afraid to say "time out, lets check." ANG <G>, if you think breed can be tricky, some of the performance stuff can really give you nightmares (especially since in herding, rally and agility there are different organizations that run under slightly different rules, throw in Canada and oh my!). If I'm competing I keep an UTD rule book in the van. Kathy member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================