In a message dated 10/25/2006 1:54:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: In the late 80's we had a bitch that won the 9-12 at the National, the 6-9 went RWB. They WOULDN"T let us come back in for Best Puppy. Ann That's always been my understanding; that once a puppy (or dog) was defeated, they're done for further competition. I KNOW there is a stipulation in the GSDCA judging program WHEN BP will be judged if a puppy happens to go winners, but that doesn't address ELIGIBILITY, rather TIMING of the class. However, I'm dealing with Events today, so I asked the AKC Events department for clarification, AND, for sure this year, because the 9-12 bitch went RWB (and the 6-9 didn't go WB), the 6-9 puppy bitch was ineligible to compete. Now...will the AKC catch/correct it? NO. (They don't record BP/BOSP.) BTW, the gentleman I spoke to (a judge prior to working for the AKC) was surprised the judge didn't catch it. I explained it was a different judge. His next comment was he was surprised the ring steward didn't catch it. It sounds from Evan's post ("Karen Wagner came to the announcer's table and told us only the three puppies were to come in for Best Puppy."), that Karin did indeed catch it, and was right, but was "out voted". Now, if the parties involved want to correct it, they can. Technically, when the 9-12 bitch went Reserve over the 6-9 puppy bitch, she was guaranteed, at a minimum, BOP. (What is amazing to me is that there were HOW many judges there? Somebody who knew the rules didn't back Karin up????) Kathy member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================