[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: WHY will it pass .....?
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- Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 10:04:07 -0400 (EDT)
Yes, they do but wouldn't it be smarter to have a large gene pool? Not make
the gene pool smaller?
Health testing only goes so far. Honesty is also needed in any breeding
program. If you have health tested dogs, who are producing health issues, you
need to talk about it, and change things.
And, breeders, regardless of the breed, need to put health first in their
breedings; not ribbons, trophies, stud fees or puppy sales. When you have
breeders, knowingly, breeding dogs who produce a health issue, the breed
suffers in the end.
Just say NO to producing health issues. If your dog/bitch produces EPI, stop
breeding the dog/bitch. Or, produces PF, etc. And, why on Earth, any sane
breeder would double and triple up on these animals is a mystery to me. S T
U P I D.
Barb Hively - PA
DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd
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From: "Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tue, May 27, 2014 9:48 am
Subject: Re: WHY will it pass .....?
Barb,
This a well written explanation of what needs to be done if the White Shepherd
and white GSDs
what to separate or not. The problem is though both the White Shepherd and
white
GSDs have the
same problems with health and temperament as do the America GSDs as well as all
GSDs regardless
of the country they originate. Germany is trying to change this but America
continues down the
same path of the line breeding of the same GSDs regardless of color for which
has been
done for generations. You can not have a healthy dog or stable temperament
unless the dogs
in the background had it by line breeding and inbreeding off the same lines.
If
the dogs did not
have issues yes it can be done but they did unfortunately. It is not a matter
of
what you try to do
as conforming to the GSDCA Standard as it is not the important issue it will
always be health and temperament
of any dog. The general public is getting tired of needing to deal with all the
issues of their GSD as reason for
dogs being dumped at pounds, left on the side of the road, etc. The GSD is not
on the most Top 10 dangerous
Dog list and getting harder to obtain Home Insurance if you own a GSD for no
reason.
Whether you can show at a AKC Show should not have anything to do with the
issue
but changing the health
and temperament of the dog can. REPEAT this can not be done by breeding off of
generations of health and temperament
issue dogs. This is not aimed at any one breeder, one that shows are not,
regardless of their dogs color but is a general
statement of what needs to be done to save the best breed that ever existed.
Theresa
On Tue, 5/27/14, barbara17236@xxxxxxx <barbara17236@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: WHY will it pass .....?
To: rautt75@xxxxxxxxx, scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2014, 8:39 AM
Hi all:
I have not been able to access my AOL account since
last week, so I am trying to catch up on posts.
Breed Separation - The GSDCA must agree to this
first. AWSA needs a letter.
Next, the GSDCA must agree to allow AKC to OPEN the
CLOSED GSD stud books so that those white owners, who want
to separate, can have their whites removed from the GSD stud
books. FYI - I have been corresponding with AKC for a
couple of weeks now on the separation issue.
ONLY those owners, wanting breed separation, will
remove their whites from the GSD stud books. BTW - AWSA
did state, in their extended GSD Review ad, that
"foundation stock would be compromised of imported
(FCI) BBS/WSS and UKC WHITE SHEPHERDS. The WGSDCII and
WGSDCA whites must be UKC GERMAN SHEPHERDS, so we would NOT
be included in the NEW AKC breed BBS/WSS.
Those of us, who do not want breed separation, will
remain as AKC German Shepherds, and will still breed AKC
German Shepherds. If the vote fails, our whites will still
be GSD breed standard DQ, and we will continue to show in
the venues we are permitted to show in.
Why do some NOT want breed separation? I can only
speak for myself, and my fellow breeders who have discussed
this with me. 1. The gene pool is too small for our
whites to grow, and become healthy for many, many years to
come. AWSA disagrees, stating that there are so many
whites, in other countries, to be tapped into for new
blood. Not true. Most of the whites, in other countries,
came from mainly 6 bloodlines/breeder in the U.S. and Canada
starting back in the late 70s. So, essentially, those
foreign breeders have been breeding the same bloodlines as
we have, just under different kennel names. Where is all
the "new" blood at? Yes, there are some totally
unrelated WS/BBS bloodlines out there, but not enough, IMO.
And, at the rate that those BBS breeders are using
American WS studs, who produce EPI and PF, those BBS dogs
are going to be in a world of trouble in no time, IMO.
Where will the WS and BBS go after that? No, whites are
not immune to the typical GSD health issues.
2. We (WGSDCI / WGSDCA) want our whites to look and
move like "today's" German Shepherds, not the
GSD of the "early" years. The AWSA and UKC WS
Breed standard goes against this. They want a white who
resembles the "old" type of GSD; very little
angulation, more square, etc. They (WS/BBS breeders)
hate "today's GSD. My group has worked very hard to
incorporate colored GSDs, and produce whites closer to
"today's" GSDs. We are at the other end of
the spectrum from what the WS breed separation folks want in
a white dog.
3. The folks, from the two different groups, could
never get along, or agree on anything. So, that is a huge
factor, IMO.
So, just separating us out, from your colored GSDs, is
not the answer either.
I say let the GSDCA membership vote, and let the chips
fall where they may. At the end of the day, we will ALL
still love our dogs.
Barb Hively - PA
DNA. It's what makes a white, a German
Shepherd
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