But, Veteran Champions do earn GCH points via SELECT, BOS or BOB. Michel -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of blackhawkfarms214 Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:08 PM To: showgsd-l GSDList Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Veteran Best of Breed/Pts, etc.. Hi Lee, et al. This happened to me a few moons back. I was showing an old Sealyham under a judge who liked him enough as a young dog to give him WD, BOW, and BOB a major of Montgomery County winning specials dogs. As with Sealyhams, its very hard to get points and after the owner's husband dying, we did a give up. When he was 8 years old, I got him back and stripped him out. For funsies I wanted to throw him the veterans class to see if "wild bill" was still "wild bill" under the judge who liked him as a young dog. Not only did we win the BOB from Veterans class that day, we also won the Group. And I thought that it FINALLY finished his championship because there was a 5 point major in Cairns that day... NOPE! AKC wrote back and said since veterans is a NON REGULAR class, no points are awarded. Even if he goes BOB and on to Group one. (This was before the grand championship title, so I don't know how it works with that and an unfinished veteran, but I suspect the same way). The remedy? (According to AKC).. put him in the open dog class next time, you would've won the BOB pts, and the Group I major and finished his championship. But since it was a Non-regular class and he did not compete in winners, No pts of any kind are awarded. Mike ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================