Ileana posts... I believe that if we breed to the standard we have a better chance to have both type and movement, along with temperament. Paul opines... I've tried to stay out of this topic. Not because I don't have an opinion...but in some ways it's a trick question. Form follows function and function follows form. As John Ayotte pointed out...the GSD is not a driving dog in herding sheep...it is a tending dog. That said...it can do both and does. Type is the beauty of the GSD. It's the "Look of Eagles"...the masculine head...the deep chested body...the maleness of males and the femininity of bitches. Like the Standard puts it so eloquently...unmistakable when present. What was the dog bred to do? It was bred to herd sheep and herd them it does. Is it a utilitarian dog capable of guiding the blind, knocking down the bad guy, finding the lost or buried, or being a fine pet? I think you will all agree that all of those examples are correct. However...it is a working dog and in order to work it must be balanced in body parts and proportion. The "Typiest Dog" that Bekins couldn't help move is not a dog built to the Standard. A Bootiful Moving Collie or Whippet Style (as Sally put it) GSD is also not built to the Standard either. There is no correct answer here folks. Like the Standard says..."Unmistakable when present". That means motion, primary and secondary sex characteristics, and soundness in mind and body. In past years I have watched as people have "dumbed down" the definition of the "Total Dog". The "Total Dog" is unmistakable in looks as a German shepherd and an extreme moving dog that...as the Standard requests...covers the maximum amount of ground with the minimum number of steps. I saw many of those dogs in Concord. I saw them traverse a Conformation ring on a loose lead, a Rally course with a smile and touching their handler. I saw a tracking dog follow a track where 100's of other dogs had been but minutes before. I saw a lot of "Total Dogs".... Paul ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================