Barbara, Your post is one we all probably should address and contribute views. I believe temperament is indisputably genetic, not only in our dogs, but also in our human kind. However, I do believe that environment plays a much greater part in human temperament than in canine. When we realize one month in a puppy's development is the equivalent of a year in a child's, we can readily understand how the years of crummy environment in a child's life will affect the child to a greater degree than the same number of months in a puppy's life would affect the puppy. Both are resilient, but as far as time is concerned, the puppy can recover from two months of poor environment much more successfully than the child from two years of the same. OTOH, I do not EVER believe we can excuse poor temerament by blaming environment. Those puppies who are shy or fear bitters or whatever other horrible defects they may manifest, I believe, became this way quite honestly from their parents or grandparents. There is one exception: those who have a vision problem will manifest a problem simply because they do not know what they are seeing. We are hearing much lately about the overly friendly dog, the golden reteiver type. Now this, I believe can be environmenally induced. I have dogs much from the same lines, who two do not recognize the existence of another person and one who loves everyone and makes a point of proving it. Same dam, but raised entirely differently. One litter saw others and loved all, the other saw only me and is aloof but tolerable of others. Wouldn't touch a dog whose parents and grandparents did not have impecable temperament. Carolyn Barbara Galasso <uwish@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: A breeder friend and I were talking about temperament of the GSD today. We were talking about what correct temperament was according to the standard looking for an approachable, but aloof personality. We talked about the outgoing "Golden Retriever" personality, the spooks, and then the aggressive and fear biters. Quite a range of temperaments, I'd say. I believe that a dog's temperament is determined by two factors. #1 - his genetics, his parents and grandparents having a great deal of influence on his temperament. And #2, I also believe environment plays a big role in our dogs personalities as well. If it's a genetic problem and you sell the dog into a good home, I believe he will still have a tendency to be what his genetics have dictated him to be. I believe we have all owned at one time or another different degrees of the above named temperaments. Some of the problem dogs you can work with and some can be trained to behave, or stand for examination. But genetically they are born to be what they were meant to be and will pass this along to their progeny. On the other hand, a puppy can be born with a good temperament and put it into a bad home, one who locks it up in a crate or kennel all day, doesn't socialize it, mistreats him by abusing him and he can become shy or suspicious of people. Or they may still like people, but are noise or object shy. I don't think (but, I'm not sure), that if you breed this animal that he will pass along a shy temperament if his was induced by a bad environment. I think when the public thinks of our GSD's as having mean and bad dispositions, they are not aware of how some of these dogs have been raised. I also know first hand that a dog can be born with a love of people and having been neglected, still love people. Also know of dogs who have been brought up in a kennel environment and haven't been anywhere and you take them and put them in a show and they're fine. Go figure. "Man made" or genetics? 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