Barbara, I can say that I agree with 99 percent of what you wrote. I am still considering the environmentally produced "nut case" being able to pass that temperament along to its offspring. Our first GSD that we owned was out of an imported working police dog. He had an excellent temperament except that he ended up being dog aggressive. His sire was dog aggressive and I had no indication that he would be that way until two of the neighbors mixed breed dogs jumped him one day. Our youngest daughter was walking him and when he was jumped it knocked her to the ground. All of the prior socialization went out the window and I could not trust him with very many dogs after that. I have no idea whether or not the aggression would have shown up any way, but that sure brought it to the surface. Mike Gray -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barbara Galasso Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:52 PM To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Temperament: "man made" or genetics A breeder friend and I were talking about temperament of the GSD today. We were talking about what correct temperament was according to the standard looking for an approachable, but aloof personality. We talked about the outgoing "Golden Retriever" personality, the spooks, and then the aggressive and fear biters. Quite a range of temperaments, I'd say. I believe that a dog's temperament is determined by two factors. #1 - his genetics, his parents and grandparents having a great deal of influence on his temperament. And #2, I also believe environment plays a big role in our dogs personalities as well. If it's a genetic problem and you sell the dog into a good home, I believe he will still have a ===== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================