I deliberately took the name out of the quote below and I'd like to open the discussion up to other breeds. Years ago (so no need trying to guess which bitch and/or which handlers) I had a bitch here, not one of my own, to breed. Well, long story short...she didn't ovulate. Lots of testing etc, days and days and days...$$$$$$$$...and she left w/o us getting a breeding. She never had a puppy. On a hunch and with her owners permission, I had blood drawn and sent to not one but two universities and her thyroid #s were all over the map. These in turn went to repro specialists who basically told me I was pretty naive and that she'd been on "something" or a cocktail of "somethings" to keep her in coat and keep her from coming in season while being campaigned. They were awfully matter of fact about it. In fact, one of the repro specialists shows and titles labs and went through this whole thing about how much it costs to title them in the field trials and how the girls were never allowed to come in season because that would upset all of the boys in the truck and their owners were spending $$$$$$$ and how mad they'd be if their dogs weren't dual titled yada yada. Hmmmmmmmm... So then I got talking to a standard poodle breeder and she said basically the bitch specials weren't allowed to come in season...coat and all....and their practice was to keep two bitches from a nice breeding, one to show and her sister to breed. Hmmmmmmmm.... Boy did I feel like I'd been left out of the secret handshake. I had heard stuff for years (collies, afghans, even in our breed) that arsenic would make hair grow. Naturally checq (sp?) is/was popular. Then that was tough to get for a while. Then thyroid meds. Trouble w/ that is once you start (as anyone on synthroid knows) it is a life long deal. So...wondering how prevalent this is in our breed and wondering what your thoughts are. I for one would instruct anyone showing a bitch and taking her on the road for me that under no circumstances could she be given ANYTHING to stop her seasons. I'm sorry but a campaign just isn't that important to me. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 4/15/2010 9:39:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cashe90@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: is the top winning dog in the history of the breed (she deserved every award), but she never had a litter. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================