Hi Jeff; ( I am just re-sending this note to the List that I just sent someone in private in response to similar questions from someone else. ) Just a quick response because that's all I can do at the moment. Just keep in mind two things before you worry about all these details. First, the Futurity Committee can't get involved in all the "bidding wars" and "big bucks" and games that people play or who is the top handler or a Jr. Handler. We are just trying to make the Futurities more 'user friendly' and successful. Second, this is just an alternative that is available that we are considering. You do not have to enter two Futurities just because you CAN. We would like to........but we cannot solve every single problem. <G> In other words things don't HAVE to change for you and your handler, but you do "have another choice" that is offered to you. It really is very simple. Thanks for you input. ( I will also add this to Jeff: IF all these issues are a major concern to you or anyone else we can possibly come up with a method or rule that the decision between the Futurities is made a short time prior to the first one entered. ) NO pulling the day of the first Futurity without forfeiting exhibiting in the second one entered. ) Also added to Jeff: It will only get as complicated as we chose to make it. At this point we are just trying to make a great alternative and choice for breeders with young dogs if things go wrong for a month or so like terrible limping, shedding, change in judges, family problems, etc...with only ONE Futurity a year. It really is very simple............. Carolyn marhaven@jps,net www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: caggra@xxxxxxx To: nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; caretti1@xxxxxxxxxxx ; klite3gsd@xxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:58 AMSubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Entering multiple Futurities These are all good reasons for considering entering multiple Futurities.?? My fear is that this new change will allow only the top tier or wealthy to enter their dogs all over the country, show up at Futurity # 1, see who their competition is, then go on to a different Futurity because they can.? Many exhibitors cannot afford this.? So, this could turn into a game that allows only those who can afford it, the luxury of 2nd or 3rd chances at winning Futurities, while those who cannot "keep up with the Jones's" will fade away because there is now another tool in place for them not to be able to keep up.? I am not saying I am totally against this idea.? If it increases entries and enthusiasm about Futurities then give it a try.? But if what I say above comes true, that is NOT in the spirit of Futurities or for attracting new people.? JMO... Jeff Pyle -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Harper <nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: caretti1@xxxxxxxxxxx; klite3gsd@xxxxxxxxx; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx List <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 3:25 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Entering multiple Futurities Cyndi, Here are a few of reasons behind the idea. 1) Change of Judge - it has happened including this year Could be you would not show under the alternate Judge is not right for your dog/bitch Your handler might not be able to show under alternate judge. 2) Your Junior Puppy comes up with Pano a few weeks/days before the Futurity You can wait and go to the later one 3) Your bitch comes in Seaon, has blown coat, looks badly. You can go to your second choice Futurity when she looks her best. 4) Provides income for Regional Club 5) One does not HAVE TO double enter but can if they so choose. Nancy Harper ----- Original Message ----- From: caretti1@xxxxxxxxxxx To: nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; klite3gsd@xxxxxxxxx ; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx List Cc: Nancy Harper Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Entering multiple Futurities What is the purpose of being able to enter more than one Futurity? Cyndi -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Nancy Harper" <nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Perhaps this will also afford some new and upcoming handlers an opportuntiy?? > Nancy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim McNamara" > To: "Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx List" > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:52 PM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Entering multiple Futurities > > Nancy asked for feedback... > I like the concept of being able to enter more than one Futurity, but I am > concerned that all the best handlers will overbook so much, that it could > become a little chaotic. They would be right to overbook, but do they now > need an algorithm to figure out who will actually end up showing where?? So > they can still make all of their clients happy, show the right dogs to the > right judges at the right times????? 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