Hey Evan I'm impressed with ALL your wife's decisions,,,,,,,,,well perhaps she could have made a better decision 45 years ago....but one bad call in 45 years...what a great lady!...lol...FB ----- Original Message ----- From: ELG440@xxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:30:31 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ]  Is this insaneâ¦.breeding? In a message dated 9/18/13 2:23:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  gsdworkingline@xxxxxxxxx writes:  Would  it be completely insane to in the coming year or two breed my bitch to a stud  dog that is deceased? My thought process is that I will be able to tell the  health of the dog by how long he lived and the health of what he has sired. I  will be able to tell how prepotent he is by what he was able to do with  different types of bitches.  I am probably a group of one, who is against doing this. We,  the breeders breed every litter to improve the breed. If you go back you have  the risk of returning to earlier problems. Now, I say that with a great looking  litter of Select Patriot puppies in the whelping box. I think he has been gone  ten years or so. Also, we have Ben sperm, and he was the number one stud dog  that year. I know  from breeding horses that one never breeds a maiden to an unproven young  stud.  There are a couple of deceased dogs that I like..one of them is  named Marhaven Color Guard. Another is an older generation dog named  Woodside's Nestle Quick. Or, am I better off sticking to older studs that are  still alive! I have a picture of Tedi and with Quick trying to get my food  at his party;.  And, I don't have to tell anyone how high I am on The Boss.  So, maybe you should ignore my above opinion, as most intelligent breeders  do. On  another note, has their ever been progeny classes at Nationals were a Stud dog  could present with a collection of his kids? Of course the stud dog and brood bitch classes were valuable.  But, now it is so expensive to bring the dogs to the national, and so hard to  coordinate, that they aren't what they used to be. I do remember one stud dog  class that made me decide not to use that dog.  The class can be helpful,  but you can do the same by reading the Red Book.  What is important is to realize this is but my opinion.  Others will have another opinion. My wife of 45 years decided to do a Patriot  breeding. So far, I am impressed by her decision.    Evan L.  Ginsburg gsyrfund.com Asgard German  Shepherds  _http://www.asgardgsd.com_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) Where Type  Movement and Temperament come  together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012.  All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post.  This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org  SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================