In a message dated 9/18/13 2:23:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gsdworkingline@xxxxxxxxx writes: Would it be completely insane to in the coming year or two breed my bitch to a stud dog that is deceased? My thought process is that I will be able to tell the health of the dog by how long he lived and the health of what he has sired. I will be able to tell how prepotent he is by what he was able to do with different types of bitches. I am probably a group of one, who is against doing this. We, the breeders breed every litter to improve the breed. If you go back you have the risk of returning to earlier problems. Now, I say that with a great looking litter of Select Patriot puppies in the whelping box. I think he has been gone ten years or so. Also, we have Ben sperm, and he was the number one stud dog that year. I know from breeding horses that one never breeds a maiden to an unproven young stud. There are a couple of deceased dogs that I like..one of them is named Marhaven Color Guard. Another is an older generation dog named Woodside's Nestle Quick. Or, am I better off sticking to older studs that are still alive! I have a picture of Tedi and with Quick trying to get my food at his party;. And, I don't have to tell anyone how high I am on The Boss. So, maybe you should ignore my above opinion, as most intelligent breeders do. On another note, has their ever been progeny classes at Nationals were a Stud dog could present with a collection of his kids? Of course the stud dog and brood bitch classes were valuable. But, now it is so expensive to bring the dogs to the national, and so hard to coordinate, that they aren't what they used to be. I do remember one stud dog class that made me decide not to use that dog. The class can be helpful, but you can do the same by reading the Red Book. What is important is to realize this is but my opinion. Others will have another opinion. My wife of 45 years decided to do a Patriot breeding. So far, I am impressed by her decision. Evan L. Ginsburg gsyrfund.com Asgard German Shepherds _http://www.asgardgsd.com_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================