Can't we just follow the REQUIREMENTS of the Award and let it go at that? ALL SAR dogs are trained to find people...and many German Shepherds do it on a regular basis. They are HAPPIEST when they make a live find as in this case. It IS what they are trained to do!! The trainers also deserve recognition for the many many hours they put in for this extensive training and hard work on a search. There is no way we can award every dog or German Shepherd Dog that does exactly what it is TRAINED TO DO, nor the trainers that have worked so hard and long to get them to that point, and work in the search also. This is not about Tina's web site or what we think.....or even the joy of a found boy or how the dog feels........and it certainly is not politics. Helen has posted the requirements and rules clearly. There are many actual HERO dogs that are acting on pure intelligence, instinct, GSD reasoning, and love of owners with no training that clearly deserve an award and recognition as Heroes also If you feel this strongly in this case, you might consider making a proposal that we change the rules / requirements for the GSDCA, Inc. Hero Award to other Breeds and TRAINED dogs and submit that proposal requesting this change? I think the requirements are great as they are.... Years ago a dog that we bred found Anna Conrad in the Alpine Avalanche. They instantly KNEW it was a live find before they started digging....because the dog was abnormally excited!! ANNIE was well trained and very excited to succeed after years of training. Her owner / trainer had worked long and hard in the snow working & training her. A triumphant moment for both of them!!! Rather than taking it to a National level as a Hero dog....our Local Club honored the dog and invited the press. Perhaps a Local Club can do the same in this case. Again.....it is in the training. ( P.S....this was the first "live find" in North America after days of being buried in snow. ) Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx www.marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: grnram415@xxxxxxx To: CheradonGSD@xxxxxxx ; dir@xxxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 10:41 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Shiloh Shelpherds Cheryl, Is Tina Barber the breeder of this particular dog. Do you know for a fact the handler of Gandalf feels the same way about GSD's as Tina? Do you personally know his handler? I have met Shiloh owners, even in competition, who have no issue with us GSD people or our dogs. We even set up next to each other at shows. Don't particularly care for the temperament of some of these dogs, but the people are ok. Can't say the same for some other herding type breed people. I have been to Tina's website. I have also been to some GSD websites that spew the same crap. So, if the owner of a pup from a breeder on one of THOSE GSD websites, who hates the GSDCA, has a dog who qualifies as a Hero Dog, do we deny that dog because of the beliefs of the breeder? Puleeeze!!!! Sending a letter of recognition, in no way takes anything away from our Breed. In fact, maybe it sends the message that we are not the elitist snobs people think we are. Because we can recognize the good deeds of another breed, even one that doesn't agree with our standards. And, I bring up the same question, if your child/husband/parent was missing/lost, are you going to say no to the SAR dog just because you don't agree with that Breed's origin or politics? I sure hope not. I, personally have a real issue with hybrid dogs, like Labradoodles. But, if one came to find my missing loved one, you can bet I would not doubt this dog. And, I would tell you and everyone else about the results. And, I would do anything to honor the dog that found him/her. Having an open mind about this is not a bad thing. Can't change people's beliefs but hope you think about what you would do in a similar, real life situation. Respectfully, Laura Thomas *************************************************************************************** From: CheradonGSD@xxxxxxxxx: dir@xxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 9:09 PMSubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Shiloh Shelpherds You all still dont understand. Tina Barber is the "breed warden" for the Shiloh shepherds. She is the "dictator for the whole breed. SHE HATES US. SHE HATES THE GSDCA. SHE HATES THE AMERICAN GSD. why dont you check out her website??? check this out and you will see what I am talking about. _The Shiloh Shepherd Story: Against the Wind-A Breed Is Born_ (http://www.shilohshepherdstory.com/) And many/most of her people feel the same. Cheri ********************************************************************************** In a message dated 3/24/2007 11:35:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, dir@xxxxxxxxxx writes: I AM CERTAINLY ON YOUR SIDE SALLY. Good grief--give the dog a special award and give the GSD the HERO award. How hard is this--OK--now it is not in the R and R. Can't we just do something nice off the cuff once? Sandi ******************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: <sally@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:59 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Shiloh Shelpherds > > I understand by the requirements of the award it must only go to a akc > German Shepherd- no problem > But I am truly ashamed that sending a certificate to honor a dog that > saved a child has become a my breed is better then your breed routine- and > if we say well done it might promote the other breed.Of All the things we > have discussed and argued about on this list -this is the most petty > I sure hope if any one of you is ever in need of rescuing you don't refuse > help because the dog is a Shiloh shepherd and not a German Shepherd> > > Sally> www.embroiderybysally.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. 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