It's not the buyer's, it's the Vets. While novices don't know what to ask or demand of their vets, the vets, who should know what tolook for, are many times baby vets or breed ignorant. Sorry, that was a run on sentence. I recently worked with one of my students, whose vet wanted to charge her thousands of $$ to run a battery of tests and and even surgery. I recognized the symtoms and told her to have her vet do a TLI for EPI. Guess what? The dog has EPI. The owner started doing research on the vet and found out the initial vet (who recommended all the tests) was just out of vet school and not even certified to perform the surgery she recommended. Another case was a pup I sold about 4 years ago. Vet told them she was dysplastic. This girl is boxy and not extreme in the least. Dysplastic? NOT! I sent them to my vet and told them to get x-rays for OFA. They did and she is OFA Good. They switched vets.  There are new HMO vets popping up everywhere. The expertise and knowledge is questionable, at best. When you sell a pup, recommend a vet. If the dog is going far away, ask the List for a good vet to recommend. Tell your puppy buyers that many vets are ignorant about our breed. Ask them to contact you if their vet starts listing all the problems with their dog. I think most of it is a money issue with those HMO vets. We do tend to see our vets the way we see out doctors. But, none of them are perfect. That is why we get a second opinion.  Laura Thomas   -----Original Message----- From: Becky T. Dickson <gretchanya@xxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 4:21 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Puppy people s*ck Okay folks, here's the latest. Anyone heard of this? “congenital deformity of both tibias with incongruent proximal and istal joints and external rotation of the hock.†So-called experts then said the dog will experience deterioration of his igaments and possibly the onset of early arthritis. ounds to me like he's cow-hocked? Anyone out there that can comment? This is an 8 month old male puppy. I should add that these same jerks ver-rotated his hips and told the owners he had severe dysplasia - no xrays aken. When they went back for films, his hips were perfect, so they came up ith this nonsense. he owners are complete dog novices - first time dog owners in adult their adult ives, and they are in their 40s. Bought a perfectly normal, strong, healthy, ctive and happy 8-week-old puppy from a litter of 7 in May. Becky T. Dickson ww.GretchAnya.com ww.GSDbyDesign.com ===========================================================================OST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. N O REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER F ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL ARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A IOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org ATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================