I want to thank everyone who responded to my post about my girl having problems. After losing the one pup I gave Kelsey a oxytocin shot and nothing happened so I took Kelsey to the vets late last night. She started dripping in the waiting room, dark discharge again so I knew this wasn't good. Vet wanted to do x-rays first which showed two BIG pups. Vet gave her a calcium/oxytocin shot and nothing happened, so she did the C section. One of the pups had its umbilical cord unattached and was dead, the boy made it thanks to the assistant working on him for 20 min. Kelsey's uterus was half black so she spayed her. I'm so thankful that Kelsey made it through this and the baby boy did too. This baby boy's sire is "Britton's Buddy v Collinswood" OFA (Ch. Stash of Fran-Jo x Banker daughter) who has13 Pts. one major. Dam is Von Charisma's Klassic Kreation OFA 6 pts. one major (Ch. Red October son x Ch. Sweet Sunshine daughter) Again thank you for your concern and advice, this list is **great** to turn to for help. HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Vicki Burkey Von Charisma German Shepherds http://members.aol.com/VAbby17801/VCGShepherds.htmL PUPPIES AVAILABLE http://members.aol.com/Shondi2/PUPPIESAVAILABLE.html Lordstown,Ohio ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================