No, Marcia, you're not the only one disturbed by this. The evaluator had NO right to ask the breeding of the dog nor whether or not the dog would be bred. And CERTAINLY, the evaluator had no right to offer a pass if the dog would be spayed. I have felt for sometime that individual evaluators have too much power to effect their own interpretation of the temperament test. And should you want to ask, yes, I had one fail who should not have and one pass who should not have. I think for too long the temperament test has been the sacred cow of the GSDCA -- that is, immune to criticism. I support the test. I do and will always honor Bob Penny. I wish I could have tested under him. But, I also support openness to improvement of the test and the evaluators. Fran Henry Denver On 10/23/07 4:23 PM, "Blackoaks1@xxxxxxx" <Blackoaks1@xxxxxxx> wrote: > Please take a minute to read the recent posts about the National Temperament > Test that were posted by: > InquestGSD, and All4MORIAH. I find it highly irregular that a tester should > ask someone the breeding on their dog, or if they planned to breed the dog. > This sounds like we have our own Breed Warden. > I have put dogs through the ATTS Temperament Test, and the GSDCA Temperament > Test. I have never, ever had a tester in either venue ask who bred my dog, > or if I planned to breed. In my opinion that is none of a tester's business. > He or she is there to evaluate the temperament of my dog on that given day. > Period. > I also think there should be new testers being trained at all times using > Bob Penny's standards. Am I the only one who was disturbed by this? The poor > lady was ready to pack up, and leave. Not very encouraging. IMO. > Marcia > > _Black Oaks_ (http://www.geocities.com/blackoaksgsd/Homepage.html) > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original > author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind > are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the > Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY > MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS > PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY > FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE > PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org > ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================