In a message dated 7/23/2005 7:05:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pruett@xxxxxxxxx writes: I read the minutes of the AKC delgates meeting in the last Gazette and was quite interested to read that AKC thinks they may actually conduct kennel inspections of hobby breeders who fall under the PAWS umbrella on behalf of the USDA. Seems to me that AKC wouldn't do that for free - I sense that AKC sees an opportunity to subsidize their own inspection program with federal dollars. Could that be the underlying motive behind AKC's support of this bill? And, if AKC goes down that road, will AKC's registration records be open to the government? I know that the state of Maine has tried to access AKC's records to track down breeders in this state and AKC said no. But, if AKC becomes part of the enforcement of PAWS, will record confidentiality continue? Just food for thought.... Laurie Pruett I read them too Laurie; beginning to end. I'm convinced the nexus of this bill is to stop large scale importation of dogs. China is specifically mentioned. Large commercial breeders in the US are already regulated/licensed/inspected. Importers are not. There are no safeguards for the dogs or the people who purchase them. There's going to be legislation IMO whether the AKC is involved or not. The question then, as I see it, becomes DEFINING the dividing line between "hobby" breeders/importers and "large scale"/"commercial" operations; defining WHO will be impacted by the limits contained in the legislation. (Now, how many people on this VERY list have complained that importers through glossy web sites and wild promises are getting BIG BUCKS for their dogs while they struggle to get a modest price for a home raised, socialized, health guaranteed puppy?????) It's of particular interest to me that the "trigger" of 7 litters found in the bill is exactly what "triggers" an AKC inspection. It appears to me, from the minutes, that there is the POSSIBILITY that once one is inspected by either the UDSA or the AKC, one party's inspection would suffice for the other; in other words, "here's my paperwork USDA, I've been inspected by the AKC this year and there were no violations, leave me alone" <G> and visa versa. I didn't read that as a negative. Who knows who is going to pay for it? I'm thinking the licensing fees that the USDA collects from kennel licenses will fund a portion. We already pay the AKC little bits here and there ($1.50 per entry, litter regs, etc.) for their services. I'm already on the record saying this bill is pretty much a non issue as far as I can tell. I don't know anyone who would meet the threshold defined in the pending federal legislation who isn't ALREADY regulated at the state/local level. I can't speak to rabbits and ferret breeders, but just off the top of my head, I'd rather IF they were large scale, they be on agricultural <zoned> land. There are ways around rescues getting tangled up in the legislation. (Charge actual expenses or a portion of to individuals who adopt and not an "adoption fee", or since most are non-profits, call monies collected at the time of an adoption a "donation".) Let me just pose another question to those who don't like the 25/ 7 trigger proposed in the legislation; At WHAT point does a person's operation become large scale and not "hobby"? 10 litters? 15? How many dogs not bred by them SHOULD they be able to sell without regulation and oversight? Is 30 OK? Should it be 50? Or should there be no regulation whatsoever? I've heard the argument that this is a "State's right" issue and should not be addressed on a Federal level. Maybe. I can buy that argument. But just this morning, I open Sally's e-mail and read what just happened in IL with that horrible piece of scum getting off w/ under $1000 in fines/costs and no jail time. Seems some states aren't up to the task. Then again, if the main objective is to regulate large scale importers, why WOULDN'T the legislation be Federal? (I'd rather err on the side of the safety and well being of the dogs.) In closing, I think there are thoughtful arguments to be made against the bill as it is currently written. Obviously, it's a work in progress and like any legislation, unless and until it is implemented, we won't know what kinks still need workin' out. The question re record sharing is a legitimate one. On the other hand...who cares? My records are current and correct if anyone wants to look, so maybe it's only a minor question, and maybe a potential point of compromise. I'd rather keep the dialog open and have input re legislation that is eventually going to pass. It looks to me like the AKC is doing that. As always, JMHO. 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