We have to pursue good temperament. Otherwise, we can't sell puppies to the public. Worse yet, major insurance companies will stop write homeowners'/personal liability policies to GSD owners. Perception lies in the eye of the general public, indeed. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Joan Fox To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; LorienGSD@xxxxxxx Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 6:18 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Need for Temperament Evaluations We have to pursue good temperament. Otherwise, we can't sell puppies to the public. Joan F. Fox http://campaignergsds.netfirms.com 440-543-9165 440-759-4119 -------Original Message------- From: LorienGSD@xxxxxxx Date: 11/19/04 20:52:07 To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Need for Temperament Evaluations In a message dated 11/19/04 5:26:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, wmj1944@xxxxxxxxx writes: Perhaps I'm missing something, but I have seen very little" public perception" of temperament problems in GSD's, either where I live, or at the dog shows I've gone to. <snip> Plainly, we are doing something right, temperament tests or not, and whatever it is, we need to keep it up. YES! Thank you, Steve. My point too! Breeders and judges have improved GSD temperament over several decades, and the new emphasis on the rote and time-consuming "temperament test" is unnecessary. Twyla Miner Lorien GSD http://www.geocities.com/loriengsd/