In a message dated 11/19/04 5:26:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, wmj1944@xxxxxxxxx writes: Perhaps I'm missing something, but I have seen very little" public perception" of temperament problems in GSD's, either where I live, or at the dog shows I've gone to. <snip> Plainly, we are doing something right, temperament tests or not, and whatever it is, we need to keep it up. YES! Thank you, Steve. My point too! Breeders and judges have improved GSD temperament over several decades, and the new emphasis on the rote and time-consuming "temperament test" is unnecessary. Twyla Miner Lorien GSD http://www.geocities.com/loriengsd/