Hmmm. I don't know if I buy this. Our dogs aren't permitted to run around like maniacs once before they can perform their proper duties in the agility, rally, herding, or obedience competitions. They are not allowed to jump around a few times before standing still for an examination in conformation. They are not allowed to bite the kitty a few times before leaving her alone. Please tell me more about why they could not be trained to gait properly on a loose lead when required to. In my experience, they do what we teach them to do. And they can certainly be a handful if allowed to do anything their way! Dr. Zoa Rockenstein RiverRock ________________________________ From: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of RivendellP Sent: Thu 12/7/2006 11:00 AM To: Rbuffdogs@xxxxxxx; michel.chaloux@xxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Loose & Easy Couldn't agree more Michel....slow, loose and easy, but the judges have to allow them to work to get them that way. Trying to get a dog with lots of go and strong working drive to go slow and easy on the first lap or two is almost impossible. Paul opines... They look so much better this way...but Kathy is so right. With all we do to condition these dogs we shouldn't even ask them to walk until they have warmed up. I don't walk them until after the individual. Trying to get them to walk 1st thing into the ring is asking for a "train wreck"... Paul ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================