Hi Zoa... No...the 2 behaviors are really apples and oranges. You "can" train a dog to do the requests I mentioned. They walk into the ring...the Judge says walk...and they walk. Most dogs...don't respond that way and when I judge them...I always gait them a lap or more around the ring just to take the edge offa them. When we condition our dogs for the show ring...it does include stand...stay...but it also includes muscular conditioning so they are capable of performing at their best as long as it may take...while others might not be up to the same.. That doesn't mean scrambling but having the ability to go the distance...no matter how far the distance is. Road work is an example and when a dog is worked a mile or 2 every other day...it takes a bit of exercise to take that edge offa him/her. My point is this...as a Judge...I want to see them Loose and Easy. I won't punish a dog that charges at 1st as long as after a decent time of gaiting...it settles into that loose and easy gait. Every dogs body has a setting that allows it to move with effortless motion. I always ask the handler to see the "Dog on a loose lead at the dogs best speed". The best speed is a product of the body moving in balance with the effort. Too hard distorts that picture. If the handler or double handlers don't allow that to happen...the dog is going at mach speeds that don't show the body's ability to go at..."it's best speed". Hope that heps... Paul Thank you. This is helpful. Are you saying that the two behaviors (GO and move on a loose lead) are mutually exclusive? ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================