In a message dated 1/2/2005 10:05:25 PM Central Standard Time, DstnGSD1@xxxxxxx writes: Tom do you really think WDA type shows are drawing from specialty shows or are young people attracted to performance venues. jim york -------------------------------------------------------------- I'm sure they are drawing some from specialty shows, and more accurately they are probably drawing young people who might otherwise have done specialty shows. Contrary to your suggestion that they are drawn to performance venues ... and contrary to Christine's suggestion that this is a gender based situation, I believe they are going both to all breeds and to WDA shows because they believe those venues are less expensive, more friendly to strangers, and because they feel they can compete better there. I say that without even considering the quality of the dog. I have seen some very nice all breed dogs that could have competed well in specialties under different circumstances. I've told people that a specific dog or bitch they are showing in the all breeds could be their big specialty winner, but one opinion is never enough to overcome their perception of the specialty ring. We manage to believe whatever we want to, but its hard to ignore comments from the very folks we are talking about as they tell their stories. The fact is, it does take a lot of money and a usually difficult persuading a top handler to show your dog in order to win consistently in the specialty system. I don't know why anyone would disagree, since most of us at one time or another has told someone to get a top handler if they want to do well in a specialty ring. Tom Langlitz ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================