Well where I live I need AWD and the sto and go seating makes it impossible for the extra axel for the AWD this is my 3rd caravan I just take the seats out and leave them in the garage. never use them<VBG> But I am looking into the Honda Pilot 4 door for my next Car, It holds the road drives well and comes in AWD and has lots of space for crates, the mini vans don't do it for me any more because I need 4 wheel or AWD and space. and I love the heated seats, or bun warmer as we call them. that is a must with leather in cold climates. Emilie ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lealynn@xxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Honda Odyssey vs Dodge Grand Caravan In a message dated 5/1/2007 4:09:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Tindrock1@xxxxxxx writes: The Dodge Caravan can fit a 400 and 500 vari-kennel crate side/side facing out the back door. Can the Odyssey do this as well? Yes it can. And it has the best fuel efficiency rating of any mini van according to what I've read. My old 2000 Odyssey used to get 30-32 mpg on the highway, however this new one only gets around 25 if I drive it. If Mr. Leadfoot drives it...I'm lucky to get 22. The only thing I don't like is that you have to take out the 2nd row of seats. They don't fold into the floor like the Caravan does...however, the Odyssey has second row power side windows that roll down into the sliding doors. Can the Caravan do this as well? <G> Or even the Toyota? How about the Nissan? Liz who loves her Odyssey _www.lealynn.com_ (http://www.lealynn.com/) _Websites by lealynn_ (http://www.lealynn.com/web.htm) GSDCA member since 1976 Signers of the Breeders Code ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 4/29/2007 6:30 AM ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================