Cindy, Mr. and Mrs. Herbel were the judges. We were not heeling, the first lap was a brisk walk. Followed by an even brisker walk then to a trot. I know the ones that I handled did not have to be strung up nor were there many that had to be, but there were some. Brenda -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Cinosam GSD Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:06 AM To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: GSD 'walking' judges/ eh? I know Norman Herbel does this walking business when he judges.....it certainly doesn't allow a dog to move naturally as the handlers have to string up the dogs just to get them to walk. An obedience trained dog or a dead head would be the only type of dog I would show to him. Cindy cinosamgsd.com murfamx4@xxxxxxx wrote: I have seen this at 3 of the last 5 all breed shows I attended.?? If your dog will walk on heel this isn't a problem at all.? Lets go is one command and heel is a separate command. ? ?? I was watching a DVD of a GSD judges seminar from a couple years ago.? It?was being put on by the tall, thin, bald man that does the Judging seminar at the Nationals.? (sorry I can't come up with his name)? He is the same judge that put Color Guard up for GV in 97. ? ? In this seminar he was talking about all the tricks handlers do to make their dogs look better.? Things like stringing them up, moving them as fast as possible, etc...?? He told these?people that if you want a real good look at the dog have them walk around the ring preferably on a loose lead.? ?He said?they (handlers)?can't hide anything when the dog is walking. ? Possibly that is where this is coming from????????? ? Glenn Shaden Shepherds -----Original Message----- From: InquestGSD@xxxxxxx To: ricknaudra@xxxxxxx; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 6:17 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: GSD 'walking' judges/ eh? In a message dated 11/27/2007 11:46:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ricknaudra@xxxxxxx writes: It's a good idea to clarify Carolyn... My interpretation... The handler is unwilling to really walk the dog as the judge requests the first time or two around the ring as to see if the judge really means it. So the handler quits running and starts to walk very fast (6' 4" long striding walk). The goal is to go fast enough to keep the dog from pacing but still showing the dog at a nice, smooth slow trot. :o) Rick Rick Your walk is my run.........its all in the legs....LOL Ileana **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Com munication, Inc. 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