Regardless of who judges and who wins and what the procedure, these same discussions would happen. If they raced around the ring, those of us who hate racing would complain, if they walked, the racers would complain, and so forth. Remember when Helen Frankiln did it too fast and people did not think dogs had enough ring time? Or when Ed gave 1/3 of the entry a Select rating? It makes no difference as someone would be unhappy and most of the people at home would definitely have opinions. Heck -- I thought some of hte best gaiting ever was when Quik and Tacoma were in the Parade of Greats in Burbank. That was smooth and effortless. As you said, at least this year Helen made sure everyone knew how it would happen. But people complain again. It never changes. I personally think you take them all out to a field and have them patrol the grazes - but that's just me. I think sheep make the best double handlers and the dogs are definitely having a good time. An I would too unless it is raining as I get tired of wet sheep - so another reason to complain. Ruth ----- Original Message ---- From: Kathy Hall <kathy.m.hall@xxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:08:30 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Fw: Article in Review --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Kathy Hall <kathy.m.hall@xxxxxxx> wrote: I have been reading post about the Nationals and wonder why some people seem surprised at the judging of selects. In the August Review on page 37 there is an article titled "No Horse Race in Beaumont This Year". In the article she described exact procedures she planned on using. I have friends that did not show because of this and others that did. Everyone I have talked to said they had a great time. That is truly what it is all about in the end. Kathy Hall ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================