I understand your point, and don't disagree with it. BUT, we are already loosing entries like crazy. At least right now, one has a "second" chance, going back to the old system eliminates that and more people might just stay home. I think the thing to do is really take a hard look at the numbers over the last 5 years for each region. If there is one or more regions with consistenly low numbers, I think those regions might have to be taken out of the system. If the entries and attendance are not there to begin with, it might not be worth keeping those regions. I do know there are several regions with good entries and attendance each year. I know there is no perfect solution, this has been a debate/discussion for as long as I have been involved in showing, I certainly don't have the answers either. Chris Chris S. (Jolley) Kimerer www.tanbarkgsd.com AOE Sel.Ex.Ch.Carousel Farms Samantha, PT, TC OFA H/E Ch. CaralonQED JD Drew Bleibtreu OFA H/E Ch. Cresthers Blast V Kenlyn OFA Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurity Maturity Results To: tanbarkgsd@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 4:58 PM Well, when you had a total of 4 at one region and two are going to the Nationals. That is 50% of the entry what is the point? I don't know what great pleasure one takes in defeated 3 dogs to go to the Nationals finals. The RFD only defeated two. WOW. Worse you yet some of these winners would never consider entering an AB show but most of those shows are drawing entries of 40 or more. It would seem it would be more exciting to win a major at an AB show than defeating 3 dogs to go to the Futurity Finals. Maybe that is why the entries are so low in futurities and specialty shows, they find more gratitude in winner a major over 40+ dogs than defeating 3 or 4 dogs. Be kind and remove my email address before you forward. Lee Brown In a message dated 4/5/2010 11:31:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, tanbarkgsd@xxxxxxxxx writes: I certainly hope that the Reserve winner does not get taken away from the ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================