I am one of those old people that can remember when Futurity & Maturity were treated as sweeps they had cash refunds....the National sent a list and a single check to each club to disburse funds in the fall of the year....as a treasurer at that time I can remember writing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Goodwin" <k9krazz@xxxxxxxxx> To: "DA LIST" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:07 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurity Changes My thought on the subject is to have a FUTURITY/MATURITY entrant(s) pay an entry fee with the hopes of winning some percentage of $$ in return for their overall placements (1 thru 4) like a sweepstakes. Otherwise it's just another show to me. Mike Home Of Sel. Exc. Ch. Signature's Cooper V. Knaufhill. --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Robert Neiman <bnbgsds2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Robert Neiman <bnbgsds2000@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurity Changes To: Stormy435@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 4:40 PM My bitch is a GL nominated but only GL entered because my prefered Region had a judge change. Not many judges appreciate a Black. Hopefully next years crop will be good ones. I told a couple of people that for the most part this years judges were pretty good just not all were good for a Black. Bob Neiman / Walled Lake, Mich. Breeder/owner of UKC GR Ch.B'N'B-Barkalot's Cherish RN Co-owner of UKC ChSandyCreek-B'N'B-WC's Christmas Star AKA Echo Co-owner of Ketlyn's Black Widow --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Stormy Hope <Stormy435@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: Stormy Hope <Stormy435@xxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Futurity Changes To: "gsd List" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 3:39 PM When I DID enter the System, (4 or 5 years worth), it was quickly obvious that it was a SHOW, not a match, no matter what it was called. Asking litter mates owners to come show in the "match" was embarrassing to me, actually. Not because they were not pro handlers, but because of the obvious preferences from the judge(s). Two years (before and after getting the whole litter there), I had handlers. The difference was amazing in attitude of the judge(s). These were all different judges, so maybe it's apples and oranges and unless NO pup is allowed with a hander that is paid to show it. The pups themselves went on to win in Specialty rings, so the quality was there. I know that the cry would be that we are all getting older and can't get around the ring any longer (JUST hit that level this year LOL), but these are PUPPIES. I don't think there should be pro handlers and I'm with Ed. Show them all in the region in which they were born. If they have been sold to another region, is that any different than schlepping the pups from one region to another for favorable judges. There must be an answer, other than going to Corgies:-) Since I'm one of those that don't have pups any longer, so my opinion is probably worth the paper it's written on. (in this case, cyberspace trash:-) Stormy On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:53 AM, Scharo777@xxxxxxx wrote: > I would like to start a conversation about the Futurity System. > > From those who do not participate - I would especially like your > comments > as to why not. Obviously, if you do not breed, you do not have > puppies. > > Please be specific. Don't just say "too expensive" > > IF anyone has ideas or wants to make recommendations Now is the > time. I > am here to listen > > Carol Moore > National Futurity Chairman ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. 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