In a message dated 1/13/2006 9:40:22 PM Central Standard Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: I have seen a judge eliminate everything not perfect coming and going, then with the rest still there, working the class and judging what is left. Some times that leave you with a class of average dogs. --------------------------------------------- Perhaps, in that judge's opinion, dogs that are not good coming and going are "average", or even less than average? It really is a matter of persepective ... that particular perspective being clearly written in the standard that judges are required to judge the breed by. You might have a better argument if you use something minor like missing premolars. <G> Tom Langlitz ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================